PVP REWARDS SUGGESTION (FEAST)

[Alexandre_Noireau]

"If you were to not qualify once again on the board you should have everything taken away from you" - Again no? If I got a top500 spray in Overwatch for season 10, I don't lose it if I am not top 500 in season 11. If I win the superbowl in 2018, I don't lose my ring if I don't in 2019.

Thing is. Here you don't get a ring for the 2019 superbowl. You get a diferent prize each season.
Same as with medals.

Yes, you won THAT season: But next season the reward is open once again for competitors - Here that doesn't happend. Why you are exactly in oposition to competition.

In short: If someone else having a item you didn't get upsets you, you probably just need to grow up.

This is exactly the kind of midset that doesn't flourish in the rest of the game, that most players don't care about and why The Feast is a complete and massive failure.

[ForteNightshade]

It's ok to have niche content that only a subset of players engage in. There are many such systems in FFXIV, competitive pvp being just one of them.

Except Feast is literally the only piece of niche content where it gets both exclusive and timed exclusive rewards. No other content in the entirety of FFXIV has such a privilege. Which is especially ironic considering PvP has largely been a failure its entire existence. These exclusive mounts aren't so much a reward but a desperate plea from the dev team for players to actually try Feast. And it failed so badly, they're abandoning Feast for an undisclosed about of time.

People wouldn't take such umbrage over the exclusivity if that same reward structure were used elsewhere. But it isn't. Why does PvP get to be "special" but Ultimate, Savage, DRS, Bozja, BA, Eureka and so forth all inevitably have its rewards become easier to get over time? Once again, it's pure bias from the dev team; fearing if they let PvP mounts become obtainable elsewhere within PvP, they'll lose what little PvP players they have left.

[Dewslam]

fearing if they let PvP mounts become obtainable elsewhere within PvP, they'll lose what little PvP players they have left.

Given how many people tie their entire sense of achievement, accomplishment and sense of progress to the PVP rewards: they're probably not wrong. If they put a magna roader variant anywhere else in the game, how many PVPers would just rage quit then and there because their content is no longer exclusive, unique and special? Because just going by attitudes in this thread, it seems like a lot would. Which is why I reiterate my stance of exclusive content being the nadir of MMOs - it breeds this absolutely awful mentality. But it does make the the comparisons to ultimate loot even more fun because the ultimate items have always just been glowing reskins of previous items you can get through other activities. And they certainly don't go away after a brief period of availability.

And I don't know, if they started adding more reskins of relic weapons, or more variants of mounts I have and like, I don't think I'd be hard pressed to be upset that more people were getting more stuff. Power to them. I'd probably start trying to get them myself, because when I like something I try to get it: I still haven't given up hope on getting the frontlines mounts or the hope that one day they'll put some PVE variants of those in-game because I can never have enough Allegan balls up in this place (or hey, how about some of those cubes? Give us the cubes, square!). So it's really, really, weird to see a subsect of the playerbase with this absolute crab mentality who would pitch a fit if square added a magna roader anywhere else.

[Ixon]

Thing is. Here you don't get a ring for the 2019 superbowl. You get a diferent prize each season.
Same as with medals.

Yes, you won THAT season: But next season the reward is open once again for competitors - Here that doesn't happend. Why you are exactly in oposition to competition.

But, it's a different ring? Just as the rewards are a different, even just a recolor, mount or armor for that season?

This is exactly the kind of midset that doesn't flourish in the rest of the game, that most players don't care about and why The Feast is a complete and massive failure.

This was literally just a jab at the person I responded to if you go back and read what they said, chill bro.

[Ixon]

Except Feast is literally the only piece of niche content where it gets both exclusive and timed exclusive rewards. No other content in the entirety of FFXIV has such a privilege. Which is especially ironic considering PvP has largely been a failure its entire existence. These exclusive mounts aren't so much a reward but a desperate plea from the dev team for players to actually try Feast. And it failed so badly, they're abandoning Feast for an undisclosed about of time.

People wouldn't take such umbrage over the exclusivity if that same reward structure were used elsewhere. But it isn't. Why does PvP get to be "special" but Ultimate, Savage, DRS, Bozja, BA, Eureka and so forth all inevitably have its rewards become easier to get over time? Once again, it's pure bias from the dev team; fearing if they let PvP mounts become obtainable elsewhere within PvP, they'll lose what little PvP players they have left.

What? It's a reward for winning a competitive mode, it's literally been there from the very first season. If there was no reward and they added rewards later I might believe you, but timed rewards per season have been there since the first season of Feast. Privelege? It's a competition. What is a competition without exclusive rewards for the winners? It's not used anywhere else because people like you get all bent over competition of any kind, so they put it in only ONE game mode where it made the most sense, and people STILL get bent out of shape. It's PVP for gods sake lol, someone wins, someone loses, and the winner get's a trophy. Not sure why that is such a drastic concept to grasp.

[Ixon]

Given how many people tie their entire sense of achievement, accomplishment and sense of progress to the PVP rewards: they're probably not wrong. If they put a magna roader variant anywhere else in the game, how many PVPers would just rage quit then and there because their content is no longer exclusive, unique and special? Because just going by attitudes in this thread, it seems like a lot would. Which is why I reiterate my stance of exclusive content being the nadir of MMOs - it breeds this absolutely awful mentality. But it does make the the comparisons to ultimate loot even more fun because the ultimate items have always just been glowing reskins of previous items you can get through other activities. And they certainly don't go away after a brief period of availability.

And I don't know, if they started adding more reskins of relic weapons, or more variants of mounts I have and like, I don't think I'd be hard pressed to be upset that more people were getting more stuff. Power to them. I'd probably start trying to get them myself, because when I like something I try to get it: I still haven't given up hope on getting the frontlines mounts or the hope that one day they'll put some PVE variants of those in-game because I can never have enough Allegan balls up in this place (or hey, how about some of those cubes? Give us the cubes, square!). So it's really, really, weird to see a subsect of the playerbase with this absolute crab mentality who would pitch a fit if square added a magna roader anywhere else.

They literally did this though. They added a cooler looking Construct VII mount, that you could only get from winning Frontlines, called the Construct VI-S as a reward from doing Unreal fights. I don't think any PVPer cared at all. If anything we were just bummed that one looked cooler. So I have no idea what you are on about.

[Fryfor]

Pretty bold to ask Square to change a system that has floundered and stagnated in player base for what, five years now? God forbid, you actually interest people in this game mode!

[Ixon]

Pretty bold to ask Square to change a system that has floundered and stagnated in player base for what, five years now? God forbid, you actually interest people in this game mode!

No one is NOT asking for change. Believe me, even the most hardcore PVPers want change. As long as that change does not reduce the competitive aspect of the game mode by catering to those who don't even want to compete. There is a lot of flaws in Feast, too many to count, not one of them is making the rewards more attainable to people who don't want to commit to a competitive mode, with competitive rewards, to begin with.

[Alexandre_Noireau]

As long as that change does not reduce the competitive aspect of the game mode by catering to those who don't even want to compete. There is a lot of flaws in Feast, too many to count, not one of them is making the rewards more attainable to people who don't want to commit to a competitive mode, with competitive rewards, to begin with.

like your stance then, you don't want to put your rewards on the line
There is no competition without fairplay. There is just a mess of first to come, first to serve: Some might tilt the odds in their favor with skill, most tilt the odds in their favor through cheating, fixing and just throwing more matches into the sport. You never had fairplay, you never had a competition.

Put ALL PvP rewards on a track reward system.
Watch people fight over and over and over for the right to wear a glamour or mount each 3 months. Those who don't qualify lose the privilige (like abandoning a grand company) and only those who fight and win the season can show off the rewards. But only if you manage to actually compete and win: Like in any real competition where belt's are passed on, a true champion is one who defends it's belt - not merely get to it. Same applies truly in any sport and competition. You want keep that Yellow Jacket on cycling? Well, better get faster than last year or you will LOSE it.

No more abandoned rewards, no more sold rewards, no more trading nor cheating. The queue and the game mode might actually see people playing now that they got the CHANCE to pass a SKILL COMPETITION.

The first change The Feast needs it's is reward structure - Then we can talk about the mechanics and dynamics of it.
Maybe correct some of the worse decisions taken like removing the chat.

[Con_Carne]

I really think there should be another way to get at least the mounts, and I think Wolf Collars could be the way.

I wanted so hard the Dreadnought from current Season 20, so I tried Feast... but it's so impossible. But not because I'm bad at Feast (I'm not very good yeah, but in time I've managed to have around 1400 of rating). The real problem is... Feast is dead. ¿How can I manage to participate if I can't even enter? More than 200:00 of queue for more queue everyday... This is what I think is the real problem, and why I think there should be another way.

Also, I think the Top 100 ranks should be more "accesible". Though everyone in a Data Center can participate and fight each other at the Season, I think the rankins should be per Server. At least I think Triple Triad Tournaments work like that.