Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

[Fayt1203]

Stop hiding behind "immersion" and come clean,

asking about glamour toggle had no traction few patch cycles ago.

it was not until dev team allows males to wear bunny suit and wedding dress that these threads started to pop up and getting some traction. i said my peace in the original thread that came up soon after dev did the changes, I will admit that i used way to strong word there but i have not change my stand on the matter.

Also its funny that it always the other player glamour that is ruining the immersion not the all other things thats in this game.

we have talking mecha down to a guy running in the east shroud in chocobo costume and a lot of bosses with questionable outfits but no its the players glamour that is ruining things.

and if it would be added for me it would feel like the dev team was giving them self the middle finger, because always when they bring up glamour in interview Yosi is always saying how difficult it as been to get to the way it is today then just add off button undo the hard work.

[Awha]

Something seems off to me for those so against the idea. If it is useless or not needed isn't it safe to assume that you also feel many would not use the feature cause it is not needed? So where exactly is the fear for the option really stemming from? I do not think it comes from a place of caring about the devs work, cause their work would still be seen and appreciated by many. The reason behind why someone would want to use the option is also moot. Sure some may want to use it because they do not want to see a man in a wedding dress, or they do not want to see people in the frog or pig suits, or they simply find ones glam looks weird.

In the end their reason and use will not hamper your expression or experience. It will only be impacted if you either assume everyone uses the option or go out of your way to see if someone is using it or not.

Idk I just have a hard time thinking people are coming from a place on genuine concern if it was added. Seems more like people are up that their overall audience that will see their glam will be smaller and they cannot stomach that idea. Which I get, wanting to show off drip is part of the reason why many buy expensive clothing.

[kaynide]

Something seems off to me for those so against the idea. If it is useless or not needed isn't it safe to assume that you also feel many would not use the feature cause it is not needed?

For me it's always been NOT that it was a bad idea, but that I would rather the dev resources be used elsewhere, especially with how often we are told how tight their schedule is and the obvious results of said tight schedule.

Eg. if there even is time for side projects, they should spend it fixing Hrothgar/Viera headgear. Or a TLC update to fix the glaring world-edges when you fly around 2.0 maps and see parts previously not meant to be seen. Or a billion other things that are on the to-do but low priority.

[Awha]

For me it's always been NOT that it was a bad idea, but that I would rather the dev resources be used elsewhere, especially with how often we are told how tight their schedule is and the obvious results of said tight schedule.

Eg. if there even is time for side projects, they should spend it fixing Hrothgar/Viera headgear. Or a TLC update to fix the glaring world-edges when you fly around 2.0 maps and see parts previously not meant to be seen. Or a billion other things that are on the to-do but low priority.

I get that but the reality is we do not have much say in what is a worth while investment of dev time and resources. So I get that argument we do not have much say in what is considered a better use. So to a degree that is a largely a moot point. As mentioned in my other posts I get the position of it being seen as a waste of development time.

While I also Fall in that camp personally I made my own bootleg fix so I am okay. I do not think itnis fair to dismiss an idea solely based on the Dev resources because what people find important is not all the same.

Like personally I think that performance feature is a waste of resources though I get many enjoy it so who am I to say what is a waste or not.

That I'd why I say something is deeper going on here.

[_Pigzig]

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

[Awha]

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

How is it weird? They would not even know. I imagine people in different attire all the time IRL does that make me weird? That is legit what this is. It is locally done.

[NanaWiloh]

You are trying really hard.

At what? Its true not my fault

[Krotoan]

For me it's always been NOT that it was a bad idea, but that I would rather the dev resources be used elsewhere, especially with how often we are told how tight their schedule is and the obvious results of said tight schedule.

This is how I feel about Eureka, extra bard performance instruments, umbrellas, the fact Viera/Hrothgar are getting their "missing" genders and MANY other things that have been put in the game. The thing being that EVERYONE feels this way about something you wanted. It's really not relevant.

Eg. if there even is time for side projects, they should spend it fixing Hrothgar/Viera headgear. Or a TLC update to fix the glaring world-edges when you fly around 2.0 maps and see parts previously not meant to be seen. Or a billion other things that are on the to-do but low priority.

and a couple more things I don't care about that I would personally consider "wasted" developer time. You see how this works? I don't say anything because while I would rather they make stuff I care about.. so does everyone else who has wildly different wants and while i don't care about the features and content directly, I can concede that my personal preference isn't a compelling reason to prioritize or backburner anything in particular.

Do you see how this is a non-argument yet?

One mans priority is anothers absolute last concern.

Discussing whether something has merit or not is one thing, arguing that it's not as important as "thing" so it shouldn't even be considered is another.

its supposed to be an online game. people have the freedom to do what they want like in real life, if you dont like how people dressed tough imo.
people shouldnt look different on different screens because you dont like it. thats just weird

also if you turn glamours off people will look like clowns with a mess of different armor. doesnt seem very immersive.

I suggest you read the thread, your counterpoints are all addressed.

At what? Its true not my fault

That you've degenerated into making up stories that have nothing to do with the discussion? I'd say that's entirely your fault.

[kaynide]

I get that but the reality is we do not have much say in what is a worth while investment of dev time and resources. So I get that argument we do not have much say in what is considered a better use. So to a degree that is a largely a moot point. As mentioned in my other posts I get the position of it being seen as a waste of development time.

While I also Fall in that camp personally I made my own bootleg fix so I am okay. I do not think itnis fair to dismiss an idea solely based on the Dev resources because what people find important is not all the same.

Like personally I think that performance feature is a waste of resources though I get many enjoy it so who am I to say what is a waste or not.

That I'd why I say something is deeper going on here.

That’s fair. And kind of my earlier point too- people can already adjust how things look via modifications, so devs are not needed. Similarly, there are mods that fix hrothgar/viera hats, so maybe those are also low-priority.

Of course it’s not up to me what the devs do, I just hope they utilize their time wisely.

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I believe I said I don’t have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your overly aggressive responses to almost everyone in this thread make it clear we can not discuss this matter further.

[Awha]

That’s fair. And kind of my earlier point too- people can already adjust how things look via modifications, so devs are not needed. Similarly, there are mods that fix hrothgar/viera hats, so maybe those are also low-priority.

Of course it’s not up to me what the devs do, I just hope they utilize their time wisely.



I believe I said I don’t have anything more to say to you on this topic. Your overly aggressive responses to almost everyone in this thread make it clear we can not discuss this matter further.

Yeah sure I admit it is a lower priority feature also in my view especially for myself since I created my own work around. That said it is disingenuous to use outside fixes as a suitable solution since not everyone has the knowledge or ability to use such tools. This goes for a toggle and for Hrothgar and Viera.

Though as mentioned I do get the stance but I also do not feel it is a non argument in the sense it is a largely a moot point. It is a valid point and valid concern but generally moot in yhe sense that we have no real say in what is worthy of dev time or not outside of our own subjective view.

Hope that makes sense. That is why I say not you but generally I do feel those against it have a deeper reasoning behind it that stems more so behind a sense of validation.