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    So that more people can have a chance to get a house. If a plot is becoming free at midnight, and that the timer duration is 8-12h max, you exclude from the sale all players reconnecting the next evening in peak hours.

    And the lottery is not gonna be as fabulous as you think. People are already getting angry not getting their drops against 7 other players in an instance spammable every 10 minutes. Now imagine it with hundreds of players to compete against, and having to wait several days between each try the rare times a plot become available again XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    So that more people can have a chance to get a house. If a plot is becoming free at midnight, and that the timer duration is 8-12h max, you exclude from the sale all players reconnecting the next evening in peak hours.

    And the lottery is not gonna be as fabulous as you think. People are already getting angry not getting their drops against 7 other players in an instance spammable every 10 minutes. Now imagine it with hundreds of players to compete against, and having to wait several days between each try the rare times a plot become available again XD
    The timer isn't there to give more players a chance to buy. It's to hinder direct sale of houses player to player.

    People end up excluded regardless depending on when the timer is released. Either someone can be online at that moment or they can't. Demolition doesn't occur at a specific time daily so there's still going to be variety in when the timer gets released.

    I would agree that the shorter the timer, the more the competition at the placard would increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The timer isn't there to give more players a chance to buy. It's to hinder direct sale of houses player to player.

    People end up excluded regardless depending on when the timer is released. Either someone can be online at that moment or they can't. Demolition doesn't occur at a specific time daily so there's still going to be variety in when the timer gets released.

    I would agree that the shorter the timer, the more the competition at the placard would increase.
    A lot of people don't get that housing has (and will continue) to be used in RMT, and SE has been fighting that battle for a long time. The timer is an anti-RMT measure... but its effectiveness is debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    A lot of people don't get that housing has (and will continue) to be used in RMT, and SE has been fighting that battle for a long time. The timer is an anti-RMT measure... but its effectiveness is debatable.
    Interesting to see you admit this finally.

    It's not much of a deterrent at all. In the place of rampant RMT going on before, there's still rampant RMT going on, and now a flourishing bot underground going on at the same time. Which is more RMT, because these people are paying the bot developer actual money to be able to use it.
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    Don't you have something better to do with your life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nepentha View Post
    Interesting to see you admit this finally.

    It's not much of a deterrent at all. In the place of rampant RMT going on before, there's still rampant RMT going on, and now a flourishing bot underground going on at the same time. Which is more RMT, because these people are paying the bot developer actual money to be able to use it.
    You:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_DPrSEOEo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Are you the news paper frame admitting what Nepentha mentioned? If yes I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kleeya View Post
    And the lottery is not gonna be as fabulous as you think. People are already getting angry not getting their drops against 7 other players in an instance spammable every 10 minutes. Now imagine it with hundreds of players to compete against, and having to wait several days between each try the rare times a plot become available again XD
    I believe only those who can spend countless hours camping Placard would get mad about lotto system, while other players who prefer playing other content would welcome a system that give a much much wider inclusion despite the higher competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misutoraru View Post
    I believe only those who can spend countless hours camping Placard would get mad about lotto system, while other players who prefer playing other content would welcome a system that give a much much wider inclusion despite the higher competition.
    Yet they're still not going to be happy in the long run when they are still not able to get a house.

    All this is doing is changing the nature of the RNG involved in acquisition of plots in some wards. It is not addressing the real problem - supply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nepentha View Post
    Interesting to see you admit this finally.

    It's not much of a deterrent at all. In the place of rampant RMT going on before, there's still rampant RMT going on, and now a flourishing bot underground going on at the same time. Which is more RMT, because these people are paying the bot developer actual money to be able to use it.
    The timer was never intended as a deterrent. Deterrents are meant to remove the desire to do something. Putting in a timer doesn't take away someone's desire to sell houses for profit.

    It was intended as an obstacle, something to make it more difficult to accomplish a task. That it has done. Instead of being able to flip to anyone, resellers are limited to those who either already beat Housing Savage to own a plot or who are willing to forego membership in an active FC to buy A FC that already has a house. It also makes it more difficult for the resellers to obtain new plots once they have sold their previous one.

    What it didn't do is stop reselling completely, but that will never happen as long as the game allows players to own the "title deed" to a specific location within the game.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 10-01-2021 at 05:49 AM.

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