The cat's (or femhroth in this case) outta the bag

[MagiusNecros]

.....are you secretly MagiusNecros? rofl Joke aside.

I don't do alts. Besides it would be rather difficult for someone to be me. I'm flattered. I don't think the world can handle two MagiusNecros.

The race design is going to prioritize the characters being "cute" rather then "fierce". Because that's what will sell players more. "Fierce stronger monster woman thing" only appeals to a vocal minority such as myself.

If the concept art is a sign of what's to come it's going to just be Egyptian Miqote with different color pallete and hairstyles. And would be an easy way to share model skeleton to fit armor and helmets.

Maybe giving us 1 to 1 rehash of Mithra from FFXI is what they plan on doing where the supposed ancestor of Miqote was full fur and the typical "skin" that the other humanoids have.

The concept art does heavily imply a Miqote/Mithra + Ronso mishmash.

I expect to be disappointed so maybe I'll be surprised in the long term.

[Allegor]

To be fair, even male Hrothgar are rather cute. Not necessarily in an attractive way, but come on, they're literally giant cats, who wouldn't want to hug a giant cat?



As I said before, I'm vehemently against the "Highlander Miqo'te" look, but as long as at least 1 face looks like an actual furry, as it should be, I don't care everyone else goes for the waifu - It's not like some of the races already have 1 face that most use because it's the best/only good one (looking at you, dadlander, female Elezen, Au Ra, femroe and Hroths...)

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

To be fair, even male Hrothgar are rather cute. Not necessarily in an attractive way, but come on, they're literally giant cats, who wouldn't want to hug a giant cat?



As I said before, I'm vehemently against the "Highlander Miqo'te" look, but as long as at least 1 face looks like an actual furry, as it should be, I don't care everyone else goes for the waifu - It's not like some of the races already have 1 face that most use because it's the best/only good one (looking at you, dadlander, female Elezen, Au Ra, femroe and Hroths...)

Wish that were me.....hugging all that cute deadly fluff

[reivaxe]

Paraphrasing but Yoshi’s lines were along the lines of “We don’t know if they will be popular but we hope the players enjoy them for what they are” when defending the implementation of male hroths way back when they were revealed. The females needing to look the equivalent of that one picture with the male orc/troll/demon vs the female being a human one with her skin tone altered for the sake of fanta$ia monies kinda flies in the face of that. The race as a whole exists for diversity's sake.

What you're paraphrasing is YP saying that they added Hrothgar because he felt they were important for "game health". What does that mean? I think it means they added them to make the game more appealing to Western MMO players. Tis why they have that stupid WoW hunch, even though they were inspirited by a race of proud straight backs. I'd say they succeeded at it, given how many WoW converts like to play Hrothgar because they remind them of w/e WoW race.

Based off the initial response it seems they did not have any intention to complete them so to speak. I am glad fan black lash changed their minds, but we cannot be certain that the statement also was meant for females. As mentioned if they follow through GG, I will be pleasantly surprised, though I am not holding my breath.

I agree with the sentiment here that we can't take things said about them when they were meant to be genderlocked and assume it's true for adding the genders now. Like, I keep bringing up Au Ra because it's very relevant ... female Au Ra faces look far closer to Miqote than the males look to male Miqote and that race was meant to be the "most beastly" thing in the game at the time. Since taking over the game from the 1.0 team, they have shown time and time again to make choices in an attempt to make females more appealing to the masses.

If the concept art is a sign of what's to come it's going to just be Egyptian Miqote with different color pallete and hairstyles. And would be an easy way to share model skeleton to fit armor and helmets.

Maybe giving us 1 to 1 rehash of Mithra from FFXI is what they plan on doing where the supposed ancestor of Miqote was full fur and the typical "skin" that the other humanoids have.

The concept art does heavily imply a Miqote/Mithra + Ronso mishmash.

Pretty much how I see it, the mural and concept art looks Egyptian like (They may be going for a Bast inspired direction for the females) and seems Mithra/ Miqote-but-taller or Mithra x Viera.
But then again, I use the mural as gospel/ "the word of god", and it's legit easier to make those mural Hrothgals have a generic cat face than the human like 1 they gave em ... so I always took that as a clear massage that they would look more human. Be it Bless Cat girls or Avatar or Mithra or that 1 popular Female Ronso Fan art.

Personally, I'm a self-proclaimed furry and ... I'm perfectly fine with it myself. If they want to make something appealing to the Miqote pop then so be it.
I know furry head comes with its own problems in this game (Like, I'm sure Hrothgar have completely different heads because it's easier to tell them apart that way with that level of animal-face. Too bad that makes it harder to share hair when your forehead/ hair line doesn't match up) and isn't eveyone's thing. If they feel like with the F-TON of female Miqote in this game there's some who would like to be a taller Mithra like cat woman, then cool.

[Rokke]

What you're paraphrasing is YP saying that they added Hrothgar because he felt they were important for "game health". What does that mean? I think it means they added them to make the game more appealing to Western MMO players. Tis why they have that stupid WoW hunch, even though they were inspirited by a race of proud straight backs. I'd say they succeeded at it, given how many WoW converts like to play Hrothgar because they remind them of w/e WoW race.

Yes, the diversity was for the games health and that their popularity/lack of wasn’t a make or break deal for the animal heads. If they had wanted to just make money and call it a day it would have been far, far easier/profitable to have simply rolled out the m/f viera together lol

I don't see why to go all out for one gender and water down their counterpart. Could you not use your justification of luring over the wow players that use female avatars with a beastgirl instead of taller miqote?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

What you're paraphrasing is YP saying that they added Hrothgar because he felt they were important for "game health". What does that mean? I think it means they added them to make the game more appealing to Western MMO players. Tis why they have that stupid WoW hunch, even though they were inspirited by a race of proud straight backs. I'd say they succeeded at it, given how many WoW converts like to play Hrothgar because they remind them of w/e WoW race.

The games health in context to the type of race they were making can easily attribute to, Diversity. By adding an option that wasn't in the game, a non-humanoid/human looking race; a Beast Race.
Its abit silly to think or say that this race is to appeal to Westerners and WoW players when a good majority (that Ive seen at least) dont play Hrothgar, or even a Beast Race back in WoW.

[aveyond-dreams]

Even WoW players don't gravitate towards huge hunchback races. The most popular races in WoW are not beastmen, they're Night Elves, Blood Elves, and Void Elves (discount High Elves). Pretending otherwise is living in an alternate reality.

Now that those players are in FFXIV they're either playing a conventionally attractive race like Hyur/Miqo'te or a meme race like Lalafell. They do not want a race that is objectively more limited than all the other ones when there are better aesthetic and functional options. I'd rather their female counterparts be more humanoid if it means that they look better in glamours and if I could wear my astro and blm hats on a potential female hrothgar alt-or at the bare minimum change my hairstyle without paying for a fantasia.

If it takes them until 7.0 to put out something decent, I hope they take the time to do so and if possible overhaul male Hrothgar customization as well.

[Roda]

Hrothgar weren't meant to appeal to every western gamer.
They were meant to appeal to the niche of rpg players who make beastly characters.

That was a niche that ffxiv wasn't filling before. Here's hoping they can throw us female character players a beastly bone as well.


(I know we won't get those glorious clawpaws, but here's hoping we'll have a recognizable snout and a bit of beef, you know, look like the same damn species as the males.)


Just because more players want one thing, doesn't mean they can have every other thing cater to them as well, especially when they're already catered to in abundance/excess. :3

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

If it takes them until 7.0 to put out something decent, I hope they take the time to do so and if possible overhaul male Hrothgar customization as well.

I cringe and cry at the idea of waiting another 2 bloody years for hopefully a Gender of a Race that I can enjoy.
But, I do hope in those 2 years we do see something great, and it would be amazing if most of the Hrothgar issues are alleviated. For both Males & Females.
God Willing....

I know we won't get those glorious clawpaws, but here's hoping we'll have a recognizable snout and a bit of beef, you know, look like the same damn species as the males.

SE, Stop letting my Dreams be Dreams ;(

[Rokke]

Even WoW players don't gravitate towards huge hunchback races. The most popular races in WoW are not beastmen, they're Night Elves, Blood Elves, and Void Elves (discount High Elves). Pretending otherwise is living in an alternate reality.

Again, Hrothgar weren’t made to be popular, Hrothgar were made to be unique. SE made the males knowing full well they were a niche but believed that niche was worth filling. They are more compatible to Vulpera or Worgen in fuzzy form. If they don't suit you...well, then they don't suit you. On the bright side, you have 14 other humanoids that might be more your style :}