Dancer changes

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

Seriously, we haven't been told much, and going by animations doesn't really help.
My guess is, there aren't really any changes, just some QOL and something new and shiny, and that's it.
This thread here comes across as if you're trying really hard to find fault, but I really see no reason for that.

[Raikai]

I also just realized that the proc changes they're making further dumb down dancer by making it impossible to ever have all 4 procs at once meaning when you press flourish you'll press your two single target skills and instantly go back to spamming 1 and 2 to fish for procs. This makes the job never really be required to go into melee range anymore thereby removing that uniqueness it had. Unless a lot more stuff is added this will make technical much less busy due to already getting far less saber dance procs and less feathers. 1-2 new gcd or ogcd buttons that don't fill espirit or proc feathers will not make technical more busy and that seems to be what they're doing.

I'm sorry, but there's no complexity in going melee just for a proc of a weaponskill that isn't even designed towards single target, like the above player said, it was just a liability because there is nothing else to it.

But with all the rest, you probably should wait until further details are disclosed because for all that matters we only saw animations being used outside of an actual rotation context.

[Alyssa5]

I'm just trying to formulate an idea of how the job could play and given SE's treatment of phys ranged this expansion on top of having every job I've ever loved being ruined I'm not the most optimistic. Especially since SE kept saying they wanted to make dancer somehow easier. By making you only need to press 2 buttons at any range as dancer is simpler than having to having to press 4, two of which you need to be in melee range with. Adding in a couple skills that essentially combo off others doesn't add much I feel but who knows, I could be wrong. I feel it is possible to get a rough outline of how some jobs could change based on the job action trailer. For example the blue skill used after technical that could be a new 1 button standard step based on the effect it grants. I made this thread to see other peoples theories on what the changes could be and thoughts on what we do know. Also in hopes of feeling a bit more optimistic about the changes due to other peoples theories.

[Duskane]

I do think DNC really needed there own version of acceleration for fans which it looks like it got in the video but either NIN was too far away or Improv does not give Espirit any more making it even worse.

[Raikai]

I'm just trying to formulate an idea of how the job could play and given SE's treatment of phys ranged this expansion on top of having every job I've ever loved being ruined I'm not the most optimistic. Especially since SE kept saying they wanted to make dancer somehow easier. By making you only need to press 2 buttons at any range as dancer is simpler than having to having to press 4, two of which you need to be in melee range with. Adding in a couple skills that essentially combo off others doesn't add much I feel but who knows, I could be wrong. I feel it is possible to get a rough outline of how some jobs could change based on the job action trailer. For example the blue skill used after technical that could be a new 1 button standard step based on the effect it grants. I made this thread to see other peoples theories on what the changes could be and thoughts on what we do know. Also in hopes of feeling a bit more optimistic about the changes due to other peoples theories.

I see your point... But you are pointing something (using AoE procs in single target) that happens only every 60s with Flourish, as there's no way they would proc otherwise in a st rotation, so this "complexity" of having more buttons to press isn't really all present...

The thing I'm most curious about though is with the new actions or traits there's gonna be something to make the TS downtime a bit more dynamic, because at the mercy of having that last feather proc or not, RNG can make the rotation really slow sometimes.

[ty_taurus]

Regarding the consolidation of single target and AoE flourishes, I'm a little sad that I no longer have any reason to keep an eye on my range to ensure I'm in a position to use the AoE flourishes. Even if it was only once a minute, I liked that I was a bit of a hybrid ranged and melee DPS in that sense. I think the main thing they were going for, and the QoL we're gaining is that we're a lot less likely to time out our flourishes during our Technical windows.

Currently, I tend to generate Esprit so quickly during Technical that I sometimes worry about running out of time on getting in that last Rising Windmill, though if they're streamlining Esprit generation, then it seems like the problem would resolve itself in that regard too unless I'll still be generating Esprit rapidly during that phase still. I get the vibe that the summoned peacock attack is also meant to sort of replacement for the lost AoE flourishes, though that seems to be connected to Devilment and not Flourish.

I'm a little worried about Standard Step. I don't think it's gone either, but refreshing the effect after technical is such an odd choice if everything else stays constant, unless it's a different kind of buff and you can only have either that or standard step up at the same time?

I'm also a little weirded out by the added healing? action that's triggered from Improvisation. Seeing as it's still a channeled action, it feels very odd that we'll likely be using it and then immediately canceling it just for the sake of getting off that follow-up without actually dropping our GCD. In a way, it reminds me of AST's wheel of fortune buff. I don't necessarily like that they're trying to hold onto Improvisation, but it's whatever.

[GrizzlyTank]

Only change i would have liked to see for dancer was give it a much shorter gcd than other jobs, mainly due to it's overall simple rotation.

[SweetPete]

Wait I’m confused about something. So we don’t have to go into melee range anymore for aoe attacks? We can stay range if we want?

[ty_taurus]

Wait I’m confused about something. So we don’t have to go into melee range anymore for aoe attacks? We can stay range if we want?

AoE attacks are still melee, however, based on what we've been told, flourishing buffs being shared most likely means that Rising Windmill and Bloodshower will no longer be a part of Flourish windows, and thus going into melee range is no longer a requirement during single-target fights.

[Burningskull]

I wonder if the reason they are being shared is because of people complaining about procs running out during flourish windows if you get a lot of Espirit and need to spend it on Saber Dance.