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  1. #2691
    Player Wavaryen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Yup.

    Proposal: Allow filtering of glamors

    Argument: YOU WANT RACIAL PURITY!

    ... naw.

    Ya, the other side is not any better.

    The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.
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  2. #2692
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    Before everyone jumps at your neck thirsting for blood, let me say that... I... I agree...


    Everyone should be able to play however they like, and wear whatever they like.
    But I for myself would enjoy dungeon runs better if tanks weren't wearing bikinis and in slippers...


    It doesn't affect gameplay, I'll hear detractors say. Well, neither does glamour and yet we all use it. It'd be the same deal here.
    I can't agree more, please for the love of everything.

    this please
    Quote Originally Posted by Caurcas View Post
    I mean all people seem to be asking for is a toggle to put everyone in their job's AF gear. Not changing the glamour options or removing options, just a client side toggle that disables glamour and forces AF gear in its place.
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  3. #2693
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    Ya, the other side is not any better.

    The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.
    From what I can tell those in support of the feature do not wish to detract anything from another player, they just wish to have the ability to enhance their own experience by altering or removing the certain items. The dev’s vision will still be upheld for the general player base.

    I know that is my stance, I do not wish to remove any glam from the game, just from my sight. If this is an ego driven stance, then so be it. Though then I would say the other side of the coin is an ego driven stance also, since it more or less boils down to tough not much you can do about expect close your eyes or don’t play.
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  4. #2694
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    Ya, the other side is not any better.

    The level of Ego you got to have to say that the makers of this game, and the outfits they make that the lore supports, Is breaking your immersion. That is crazy, that your vision of what the game should be should be added as an option.
    There are extremes on either side, quite so. Yet there are also reasonable discussions about possible implementations that address MANY complaints.

    It's not ego-maniacal to want a game that I pay to access, and payed for the hardware to run and the internet access to play be customizable and allow me to RP my character and story as I please without affecting others.

    My personal character story having a stoic warrior of light, who supposedly chooses stalwart and competent companions to do battle in these warrens full of baddies, becomes a little jarring when one of these people shows up in jammies and it would be nice if I had an option to fix that.

    My personal stance isn't that "omg it breaks so much immersion". It's that It's hard to live out the story I want to in this game when people are literally trying their hardest to be as goofy as possible and I'm forced to deal with it with no recourse.

    The makers of this game do have a vision and I've noticed that aside from notably non mandatory stories it's kept to a certain tone and aesthetic. I believe this is done on purpose and they've mentioned so themselves.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  5. #2695
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    There are extremes on either side, quite so. Yet there are also reasonable discussions about possible implementations that address MANY complaints.

    It's not ego-maniacal to want a game that I pay to access, and payed for the hardware to run and the internet access to play be customizable and allow me to RP my character and story as I please without affecting others.

    My personal character story having a stoic warrior of light, who supposedly chooses stalwart and competent companions to do battle in these warrens full of baddies, becomes a little jarring when one of these people shows up in jammies and it would be nice if I had an option to fix that.

    My personal stance isn't that "omg it breaks so much immersion". It's that It's hard to live out the story I want to in this game when people are literally trying their hardest to be as goofy as possible and I'm forced to deal with it with no recourse.

    The makers of this game do have a vision and I've noticed that aside from notably non mandatory stories it's kept to a certain tone and aesthetic. I believe this is done on purpose and they've mentioned so themselves.

    What you want is not supported by the lore. Yes, you are the warrior of light and all that, but the lore comments about how adventures fashion, and just how weird they are. The silly stuff that people wear, that is supported in the lore.

    Adventures being goofy with outfits is part of the lore of the world. Yes you have a main plot that keeps the goofy stuff out, but that does not mean all the side stuff are "Filler" they are part of the lore and world as well.


    Your story does not fit the narrative of the game UNLESS you go out of your way to only invite players from a Linkshell that you have the same views as you, but if you use duty finder. Than your rp needs to understand the world you live in, as adventures that are weird, adventures that wear dumb things, and just don't care. That is the lore and world your char lives in, and turning a blind eye to that is bad rp in my honest view. But, I don't RP so it is not like my two cents on what is good and bad matters.
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    I mean all people seem to be asking for is a toggle to put everyone in their job's AF gear. Not changing the glamour options or removing options, just a client side toggle that disables glamour and forces AF gear in its place.
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    like if you would let this lore friendly roegadyn npc in your party



    ignore for ascian devilry
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  8. #2698
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    What you want is not supported by the lore. Yes, you are the warrior of light and all that, but the lore comments about how adventures fashion, and just how weird they are. The silly stuff that people wear, that is supported in the lore.

    Adventures being goofy with outfits is part of the lore of the world. Yes you have a main plot that keeps the goofy stuff out, but that does not mean all the side stuff are "Filler" they are part of the lore and world as well.



    Your story does not fit the narrative of the game UNLESS you go out of your way to only invite players from a Linkshell that you have the same views as you, but if you use duty finder. Than your rp needs to understand the world you live in, as adventures that are weird, adventures that wear dumb things, and just don't care. That is the lore and world your char lives in, and turning a blind eye to that is bad rp in my honest view. But, I don't RP so it is not like my two cents on what is good and bad matters.
    .. so you think my RP that I choose to engage with in this game is against the RP that I should play because the designers put it in the game SOMEWHERE so I HAVE to work that in even though they also made it compartmentalized so that I wouldn't have to engage in it if I didn't want to but the fact that it exists means I HAVE to account for it?

    It's a game yo. If I want to pretend in my head that I'm someone and my motivations are such, why is that bad? If I would like options to support that playstyle that in no perceivable way affects anyone else why is that bad?

    I'm not turning a blind eye to the lore, I accept that out there are adventurers who wish to appear silly or talk a certain way or even PRETEND that they're actually running dungeons in a speedo and pighead. But my character, who I get to create motivations for, is my realm of play as long as it only affects me. My characters progression through the story is affected by people yukking it up with obtuse glamours. Why don't I deserve to have tools to fix that?

    The fact you don't RP and just play the game means that all you're here to do is be contrary. If you don't RP you don't care what lore is "valid" or even why people value their stories. You're just here to poke.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    like if you would let this lore friendly roegadyn npc in your party
    Might I remind you that if you're paying attention to the actual lore.. that guy is a cheat and a fake. Very much so I would not wish him in my party of adventurers I trust my life to.
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    Last edited by Krotoan; 09-25-2021 at 09:31 AM.
    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

  9. #2699
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    Might I remind you that if you're paying attention to the actual lore.. that guy is a cheat and a fake. Very much so I would not wish him in my party of adventurers I trust my life to.
    slander! ill have you know he slew both tidus AND leviabeetus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    .. so you think my RP that I choose to engage with in this game is against the RP that I should play because the designers put it in the game SOMEWHERE so I HAVE to work that in even though they also made it compartmentalized so that I wouldn't have to engage in it if I didn't want to but the fact that it exists means I HAVE to account for it?

    It's a game yo. If I want to pretend in my head that I'm someone and my motivations are such, why is that bad? If I would like options to support that playstyle that in no perceivable way affects anyone else why is that bad?

    I'm not turning a blind eye to the lore, I accept that out there are adventurers who wish to appear silly or talk a certain way or even PRETEND that they're actually running dungeons in a speedo and pighead. But my character, who I get to create motivations for, is my realm of play as long as it only affects me. My characters progression through the story is affected by people yukking it up with obtuse glamours. Why don't I deserve to have tools to fix that?

    The fact you don't RP and just play the game means that all you're here to do is be contrary. If you don't RP you don't care what lore is "valid" or even why people value their stories. You're just here to poke.

    So you accept the lore supports this. So why should a option to change how these people dress that is supported in the lore and the world be added?



    I'm just confused. Because of how you RP. You think that a option should be added to turn off what your person sees, even if you fully accept that it is part of the lore of the game. I'm trying to understand your side from a RP point, yet everything that I learn about RP says that what you want makes no sense.
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