Hidde Glamours Locally (& other graphically immersive options)

[Ath192]

So here is the thing about immersion. I got back and forth a lot with this issue. Because to some extent both sides have their merit. It is nice to feel fully immersed in an "Epoch" where the story is taken seriously and people show up for battle well prepared and a great battle is had. By the other token FFXIV is more "Fairy Tail" anime than say... "Attack on Titan" where uniforms are well defined and everyone is dressed congruently to the setting.

At the same time, when we talk about "world" and immersion, if we take a look at our world today we have people in space and conducting genetic research and creating clones all the way to aboriginal tribes that have no contact with the world and live the same as when Neanderthals were still around... (an easy research on this is that Island close to India)

So FFXIV reflects a bit more of that reality, that the world at large is a truly diverse place... On the other hand though... These diversities are spread across bigger geographic areas in the world, whereas in FFXIV everyone is squished together. So you get a guy in a swimsuit queued with you in full plate armor ready to battle hades...

I mean yeah... I would say getting a bunch of frogs, swimsuits, and joke glams in an expansion finale trial does ruin the experience somewhat. Because you can't seriously get into it... I mean everyone is treating it as a joke... and you feel silly wearing good armor to battel with a bunch of those people.

If this world had more things to do outside of instances a great solution would be to create "Casual Gear" and "Battle gear" and have those respective plates, where you as a Miqote WAR, could wear something sexy and casual while doing activities in the overworld (unfortunately these are severely lacking), queue for a fight, and switch to your battle plate when you load in. That way, all your cute glams would be there for you and would have a use most of the time, but when things get serious, you transform into a glam that means business...

This would require the developers to only allow specific gear to be battle plated, and would get treated on a per-item basis.

I think people would mostly be okay with this solution, I mean its a reasonable compromise, but ONLY, if there are lots of things to do in the overworld that would make casual gear something you can use and show off plenty....

[DPZ2]

I get this idea is long shot and generally a waste of development resources.

A great waste of development resources. It's never as simple as 'adding a button to activate a switch'. There would be side effects.

How does one go about changing glamour gear into X? The simplest way would be to replace every piece of gear into some 'standardized head, chest, hands, legs, feet' gear. What happens when that gear is worn by an NPC? (Yes, your NPCs wear the same gear you can glamour into).

Not so simple anymore. And the "while you're at it" crowd asking for level-specific gear ... sheesh.

That point aside I don't understand the position that having someone alter another's appearance especially when outside of a few outlier situations the persons who appearance has been altered would not even know.

Why stop at gear?

I'll certainly start complaining about all of the Hrothgar in game. I'll demand a button/switch to toggle all Hrothgar to look like a single Miqo'te female model. It's an appearance that only affects my screen. How could it possibly harm anyone else?

It would also be a lot simpler than the gear toggle, well, except it would also have side effects with respect to NPCs.

Your identity is tied to your appearance. People work a long time when creating a character to get the look "just right". It's Who They Are in-game.

Asking for the ability to change appearances is denying someone else has a right to exist As They Are.

You want a game where you have full control over the look and feel of everyone? Go play the Sims.

[Illmaeran]

Personally I can't compare ESO with FF at all. If people would just expand their thinking a bit. There are all kinds of fantasy worlds created in a person's mind. I just watched the golden compass movie again. That is a totally different world but it's still fantasy.

This game is not a traditional fantasy so why would you try to make it that way. ESO is more traditional except all of the loud flaming store mounts they put out. But they know what sells and have raised prices accordingly. So I can't compare this game with ESO at all.

As far as glamour people do those to show off their taste and I feel weather you like them or not they should be visible to all. Chocobos are a creature in this game finding someone in a chocobos suit is not out of the realm of possibility.

Expand your fantasy mind this is not king Arthur and dragons. It's not table top dnd either. Exactly what you say in your last paragraph is how people must think of this then build their immersion around that.

1. Golden Compass is a great example; it's a "real world" setting with fantastical elements. That's how I see FF to be in a manner of speaking. There are different cultures based on different time periods and technology levels with the added fantastical elements of magic and ultra-high technology. It's exactly those elements that push XIV's world past the boundaries of Real World Earth into this crazy mish-mash of conflicting milieus that is our beloved Eorzea.

2. You're 100% right here, ESO and FF are two wildly divergent games/aesthetics, to the point where there's really no comparison between the two. The folks who make the Elder Scrolls titles do seem to try to maintain consistency of aesthetics/technology levels between the games and make a serious effort at creating a world that draws the player into in a way that XIV simply doesn't. Tamriel is much more realistic within its creative boundaries than Eorzea is within its own boundaries. I'd say both have equal verisimilitude but are not equally immersive.

3. I agree, the default setting should be that glamours are visible to everyone, as it is now. I don't think it would be a bad thing to have an official option of displaying all PCs in their racial starter gear or AF1 gear appropriate for the job they're on at the time though. I generally like to see other people in their glamours as it adds to my Isekai head cannon, but even then the 1000th Miquote in the Nier raid gear or Broegadyn in a subligar gets tiresome sometimes.

I love Nine Inch Nails, but sometimes I just want to listen to Bach instead.

[Risvertasashi]

So, let's see...

1. There's a mod that removes lalafell from the game.
2. There's a mod that removes (swaps) the 2B leggings...
3. There's a mod that can freely change the race and outfits of other players as they're displayed to you.

Seems to me someone just needs to link these things together. I'd suggest this idea remain a mod, however. No need to get the dev team embroiled in controversy by implementing it, and every time they make a change, and then worry about it getting dropped if they feel it's not worth the time and return. Not to mention, as a fan project you could have things like a database of immersive outfits to apply to other players at random, which would likely be too much time investment/upkeep for an official dev project.

[Awha]

A great waste of development resources. It's never as simple as 'adding a button to activate a switch'. There would be side effects.

How does one go about changing glamour gear into X? The simplest way would be to replace every piece of gear into some 'standardized head, chest, hands, legs, feet' gear. What happens when that gear is worn by an NPC? (Yes, your NPCs wear the same gear you can glamour into).

Not so simple anymore. And the "while you're at it" crowd asking for level-specific gear ... sheesh.



Why stop at gear?

I'll certainly start complaining about all of the Hrothgar in game. I'll demand a button/switch to toggle all Hrothgar to look like a single Miqo'te female model. It's an appearance that only affects my screen. How could it possibly harm anyone else?

It would also be a lot simpler than the gear toggle, well, except it would also have side effects with respect to NPCs.

Your identity is tied to your appearance. People work a long time when creating a character to get the look "just right". It's Who They Are in-game.

Asking for the ability to change appearances is denying someone else has a right to exist As They Are.

You want a game where you have full control over the look and feel of everyone? Go play the Sims.

You are right why stop at gear if someone does not want to see lalafell on their screen I would not be bothered in the slightest. In the end I get it would be a waste and never said or implied it would be a simple toggle. I get that stance the stance I do not get it is why people feel that their existance and experience would be negatively impacted due to the mere possibly that the entire playerbase would have the ability to readily and reliably alter the appearance of others.

People are more or less getting upset that someome random person may not see their drip or style. Seems werid to me that is all, and no one has really come up with a reason that makes sense to me as to why the mere possibly of someone altering their appearance especially in a video game would have a negative impact.

Thing is one would not really know outside if outlier situations. I do not think we would stop existing as we are due to the underlined possibly that someone may not see us as a we are.

Though on my end I do have a working though albit buggy version of a mod that puts everyone in a black robe. It is not extremely difficult per-se more so time consuming for very little reward in the end on a large scale.

[IckeDerTyp]

Glamour denyers?! Hiddemup~

Honestly tho, just why? You know full well you're in anime world.

Stop pretending! ^^

[Fabbro]

So here is the thing about immersion. I got back and forth a lot with this issue. Because to some extent both sides have their merit. It is nice to feel fully immersed in an "Epoch" where the story is taken seriously and people show up for battle well prepared and a great battle is had. By the other token FFXIV is more "Fairy Tail" anime than say... "Attack on Titan" where uniforms are well defined and everyone is dressed congruently to the setting.

At the same time, when we talk about "world" and immersion, if we take a look at our world today we have people in space and conducting genetic research and creating clones all the way to aboriginal tribes that have no contact with the world and live the same as when Neanderthals were still around... (an easy research on this is that Island close to India)

So FFXIV reflects a bit more of that reality, that the world at large is a truly diverse place... On the other hand though... These diversities are spread across bigger geographic areas in the world, whereas in FFXIV everyone is squished together. So you get a guy in a swimsuit queued with you in full plate armor ready to battle hades...

I mean yeah... I would say getting a bunch of frogs, swimsuits, and joke glams in an expansion finale trial does ruin the experience somewhat. Because you can't seriously get into it... I mean everyone is treating it as a joke... and you feel silly wearing good armor to battel with a bunch of those people.

If this world had more things to do outside of instances a great solution would be to create "Casual Gear" and "Battle gear" and have those respective plates, where you as a Miqote WAR, could wear something sexy and casual while doing activities in the overworld (unfortunately these are severely lacking), queue for a fight, and switch to your battle plate when you load in. That way, all your cute glams would be there for you and would have a use most of the time, but when things get serious, you transform into a glam that means business...

This would require the developers to only allow specific gear to be battle plated, and would get treated on a per-item basis.

I think people would mostly be okay with this solution, I mean its a reasonable compromise, but ONLY, if there are lots of things to do in the overworld that would make casual gear something you can use and show off plenty....

Thank you very much for this, appreciate the read a lot and agree 100% : )

[Fabbro]

Glamour denyers?! Hiddemup~

Honestly tho, just why? You know full well you're in anime world.

Stop pretending! ^^

What kind of anime? There are really too many to just say "anime world" really.

[Fabbro]

So, let's see...

1. There's a mod that removes lalafell from the game.
2. There's a mod that removes (swaps) the 2B leggings...
3. There's a mod that can freely change the race and outfits of other players as they're displayed to you.

Seems to me someone just needs to link these things together. I'd suggest this idea remain a mod, however. No need to get the dev team embroiled in controversy by implementing it, and every time they make a change, and then worry about it getting dropped if they feel it's not worth the time and return. Not to mention, as a fan project you could have things like a database of immersive outfits to apply to other players at random, which would likely be too much time investment/upkeep for an official dev project.

Which is the website that currently has such and most FFXIV mods available for download please? Nexus mods seems to have too little in terms of any kind of FFXIV content.

[Fabbro]

1. Golden Compass is a great example; it's a "real world" setting with fantastical elements. That's how I see FF to be in a manner of speaking. There are different cultures based on different time periods and technology levels with the added fantastical elements of magic and ultra-high technology. It's exactly those elements that push XIV's world past the boundaries of Real World Earth into this crazy mish-mash of conflicting milieus that is our beloved Eorzea.

2. You're 100% right here, ESO and FF are two wildly divergent games/aesthetics, to the point where there's really no comparison between the two. The folks who make the Elder Scrolls titles do seem to try to maintain consistency of aesthetics/technology levels between the games and make a serious effort at creating a world that draws the player into in a way that XIV simply doesn't. Tamriel is much more realistic within its creative boundaries than Eorzea is within its own boundaries. I'd say both have equal verisimilitude but are not equally immersive.

3. I agree, the default setting should be that glamours are visible to everyone, as it is now. I don't think it would be a bad thing to have an official option of displaying all PCs in their racial starter gear or AF1 gear appropriate for the job they're on at the time though. I generally like to see other people in their glamours as it adds to my Isekai head cannon, but even then the 1000th Miquote in the Nier raid gear or Broegadyn in a subligar gets tiresome sometimes.

I love Nine Inch Nails, but sometimes I just want to listen to Bach instead.

Exactly this.