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  1. #191
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    With the removal of Dots on SMN they should've just gone in on that further with SCH imo.
    I also think it'd be cool if all of SCH's heals were ogcd's ( with a *short* cd so you couldn't spawn it ridiculously fast ).

    Basically just make SCH a Dot and super mobility Healer.
    ( Also bring back Shadow Flare ).
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  2. #192
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

    You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."
    Scholars don't need to immediately dump their AE stacks in savage. The damage gained is so insignificant, the only place where it makes sense to use ED is when you are resetting DoT or when you are using Ruin II to weave and/or move.

    I am curious about how does one put Chain Stratagem before Biolysis in the opener without clipping.

    Using most of the Aetherflow stacks for Energy Drain is what I disliked the most about Scholar in Savage. Initially, when I unlocked the ability I thought that Energy Drain is something like a bait ability that the devs forgot to remove because it consumes the resources I need to use for healing. I didn't even have that ability on my bar before I started progging raids with SCH when WHM was taken.
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  3. #193
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    Tiramisa Damsela
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Scholars don't need to immediately dump their AE stacks in savage. The damage gained is so insignificant, the only place where it makes sense to use ED is when you are resetting DoT or when you are using Ruin II to weave and/or move.

    I am curious about how does one put Chain Stratagem before Biolysis in the opener without clipping.

    Using most of the Aetherflow stacks for Energy Drain is what I disliked the most about Scholar in Savage. Initially, when I unlocked the ability I thought that Energy Drain is something like a bait ability that the devs forgot to remove because it consumes the resources I need to use for healing. I didn't even have that ability on my bar before I started progging raids with SCH when WHM was taken.
    Sadly if you are not you will parse low and be considered bad because non optimal dps :/
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  4. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Sadly if you are not you will parse low and be considered bad because non optimal dps :/
    Honestly, no.

    Decent parses simply require you to be pressing your dps button. SCH can even reach purple parses even just spamming Ruin II and ignoring Broil III. While ED optimization is important for high end parses (orange and above), the most vital thing is uptime.

    If a healer is parsing low (grey) without multiple deaths or an extremely messy run, it's 99.9% of the time due to low casting uptime. Healer parsing is far easier than dps.
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  5. #195
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    Esther Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Sadly if you are not you will parse low and be considered bad because non optimal dps :/
    Nonsense. This is just high level whining about the world being so unfair that you're forced to this nasty thing you don't like or will be considered bad.
    A few EDs more or less in your opener will never make a noticable difference as long as your not in the 95+ area. If you're in danger of parsing low, you have other problems. Probably not pushing that one button we have enough.
    Even with every ED and a couple of GCDs spend on healing, you can easily reach 75+.
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    Kazumi Hatake
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    To be honest, I can't understand the Devs reasoning for 1 button dps rotations for the healer jobs:

    Noobs, Semi-AFK-leechers and mentally challenged players won't do their DPS rotations anyways and just do the basic healing spells. They should create some DPS rotation and make it so that the rotation does not get interrupted when a healer does his healing spells (and casting a healing spell should prevent the rotation from running out). Problem solved. A more interesting rotation for healing downtimes will make healing more appealing for dedicated players. The only DPS or Tank player that will currently switch to Healer for dungeons is either eating or is watching something on the 2nd monitor.

    I haven't played healer in Shadowbringers at all except for leveling them from 70 to 80 because I got frustrated with casting Broil all the time or becoming a breakdancer when spamming Art of War. Currently, I would rather do the Praetorium than being a healer. Even playing a Paladin and healing everybody with Clemency is more fun than the current healers now.
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  8. #197
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    Reika Hanehara
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    ''Noobs, Semi-AFK-leechers and mentally challenged players won't do their DPS rotations anyways and just do the basic healing spells.''

    Well done. You've summarized exactly who the intended audience for the game is now. If you have an IQ surpassing a house brick -- show yourself the exit.
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  9. #198
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    Kara Dusksinger
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Limited dps skill is fine as long as there something else besides healing and dps to do, tends to be why most folks that play healer enjoy ast so much. Sch is by far the worst at this, very dull dps, very dull mechanics, it could really use an interesting aspect, as fairy and aetherflow are very unremarkable....
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  10. #199
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    Ayer Austen
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    Its difficult to say why the devs have chosen the route they have with healers. If one goes by the forums alone, it would seem like the devs don't listen to what the healer player base wants. That said I'm confidant they are basing their decisions on game metrics we don't have access too, and people who actually post on forums tend to be only a small segment of those who actually play the game.

    It would be appreciated if their reasoning could be explained in a future live letter.
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    Grimoire Mogri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Its difficult to say why the devs have chosen the route they have with healers. If one goes by the forums alone, it would seem like the devs don't listen to what the healer player base wants. That said I'm confidant they are basing their decisions on game metrics we don't have access too, and people who actually post on forums tend to be only a small segment of those who actually play the game.

    It would be appreciated if their reasoning could be explained in a future live letter.
    Or one can take their queues from the whole expansion’s worth of radio silence and drop healing entirely before it gets worse. Let the fotm sages take the wheel and burn through the launch period all the faster for it. If barely any other healer gets capped and the newbies start leaving with the vets then SE will have to face the actual problem.
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