Broil

[Irenia]

Encounters not forcing enough mandatory healing does not equate into healers needing some kind of elaborate dos rotation.

And here is the rub again: an organized group that has an encounter on farm mode can minimize dmg by doing the encounter flawlessly because they know how to do all the mechanics properly. Join any duty finder group and all of that falls away.

That's the thing though.

Your enjoyment should be able to rise when you are with a good group. Therefore, gameplay with minimal healing should be a design consideration.

If you get into a farm party in PF that actually is a farm party, the healer shouldn't be disappointed that they don't have to heal...

[VeolE]

Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....


Anyone with a single brain cell can tell that "Spamming one button is not FUN

[Karthunk]

Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....


Anyone with a single brain cell can tell that "Spamming one button is not FUN

I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

[EaMett]

I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

I mean.. Obvious troll aside, with that kind of reasoning every job should be a one-button spam since it doesn't seem to make any difference to you. At least it'll be super accessible. And by your standards, also fun.

The reality is that a line has to be drawn at some point. And there's a forum full of healer mains saying that it isn't in the right spot. And one gladiator saying it is? (I'm assuming that's what you're saying since, honestly, it just looks like you're being contrarian for the sake of it).
As for the healer here, I can't tell if this is your main or an alt but to make things short:
Yes, we do realize that if you play your class casually it doesn't really matter, but it equally wouldn't matter to those players if SE raised the ceiling a bit since they aren't at cap either way. The only pitfall is not creating too big a dps gap between player bases but there are plenty of ways healers could be more challenging while respecting that.

Edit: looking over forums again (not tired this time) looks like I'm getting baited by trolls. Live and learn.

[Punslinger]

I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

If having a one-button rotation is good, fun gameplay for healers, it should also be good, fun gameplay for casters, right? If it's okay for WHM to spend half the fight casting Glare, then it's okay for BLM to spend half the fight casting Fire. Not Fire 4, or Fire 3, just Fire; we'll cut the BLM kit all the way back to Fire and Thunder, give them one nuke, and one DoT, same as every healer. No Astral Fire/Ice to worry about, no Enochian to maintain, no Xenoglossy procs to watch, no Ley Lines to worry about positioning, just the pure unadulterated fun of a 211111111 rotation.

How many people would still play BLM at that point? Would BLM be a fun, engaging class to play?

No? Why not? After all, BLMs are just "spamming a sequence of three+ buttons." And you said that wasn't fun.

[Kabooa]

No? Why not? After all, BLMs are just "spamming a sequence of three+ buttons." And you said that wasn't fun.

What are my other 20 buttons doing?

That's pretty important you know, seeing as a healer isn't just "21111111111".

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ignorance is a damn bliss with these "Two people" in this thread so far....

Pretty much. The tl;dr is "Play healer:

• .. in the first week of each contents to indulge the chaos to not be bored."
• .. if you want to be bored until next new unfamiliar content comes around."
• .. with a group of stupid players to have something to heal."

Fancy. But no.
I can heal damage but not stupid. That's too much to handle for me, even with all these bloated healing buttons, or maybe I need more! I'm no Lord and Savior!

[Metsonm]

This was brought up before, but it bears repeating since it's a point that seems to be completely ignored.

Raising the skill ceiling does not raise the skill floor. If you want to come into encounters, throw out your heals, throw out a couple of damage spells, and see the boss die, that's fine. At the end of the day the content got cleared. Healers having something to do in downtime is, at its core, optional. Yes it would be desired of you if it was in the game, but I also wish everybody I played with in DF was a Savage+ level player. People aren't asking Samurai to be made easier because freestyle SAMs exist.

Even if it was something as simple as SCH having a second bar that filled on Broil use that could be spent on a bigger attack or something, that's SOMETHING. Or bring back another DoT on a different timer so we can think about a little bit more.

Those are entire optional and missing those doesn't stop you healing at the entry level. The entry level will still be healbotting. Missing those bonus casts or DoT timers is no different from a NIN messing up or just flat forgetting their mudras, for example. We're not saying that the skill floor should be brought up to summoner or HW MCH level or whatever, just that the skill ceiling be bumped up a bit for people that can handle it.

[NyneSwordz]

I agree! Spamming a sequence of three+ buttons is when the true fun starts!

You're being overly simplistic. 3 buttons isn't just "3 buttons," it also implies how those 3 buttons interact with each other and with the entire kit. Giving scholars something like bane to spread dots alone would make the job much more fun.

[Mortex]

What are my other 20 buttons doing?

That's pretty important you know, seeing as a healer isn't just "21111111111".

Blm his other buttons give him proc change, mobility, rotation being faster with triple and swift, weaving addle for magic aoe if you want ( not needed in 99% of the content but you can if you want), extra fire IV and despair, not stacking more then 2 polyglot, using fire 3 proc too get back faster into your fire phase and at the moment because the proc duration isn’t that long you can’t use polyglot there (except if all the raid buffs are up for maximum dmg) or it runs out. On whm and astro all my ability heal (giving a shield or 10 % dmg reduce is just healing with extra steps except if the next ability is so hard hitting you actually need that too survive that, but the problem here is you never have these hard hitting abilities in 99% of the content) doesn’t matter if I put a bubble on the floor or if the heal comes from me. If I need to heal I have soooooo many options for it there is almost no weight behind any decision. On the dps side using a wrong skill or not using big cds makes you deal way less damage a lot of times, massively kneecapping you and the speed of clearing anything and even beating enrage timer.