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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Optimal dps shouldn’t exist for healers is the problem.
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    I can't fathom this being an actual mentality people have. Why would you want the game to be so boring and homogenized? Just go play white mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    Precisely! In order to kill the openers and 'rotation', we have to kill our Broil button! Because guess what? People throw out their raidwide buffs and debuffs from the start, and every certain window, which means even our hypothetical 1 potency Broil III will be boosted in said period. It would be the optimal choice to spam that Broil button. We can't have people do that! It's optimal dps option!

    Just leave them with Adloquium/Succor IV to do all job in one press then go back /beesknees until next incoming damage. Should be fine right? We're healers after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

    You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

    You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."
    I find it funny you don’t think I’ve learned the opener for sch. I already know it and how to dump all my AF while under CS. I just hate the play style and I hate that I’m forced to dump my healing resources for some optimal dps bull. I can learn openers and rotations I just don’t enjoy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.


    Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

    But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
    What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeolE View Post


    Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

    But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
    What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.
    They're trolling. Don't waste your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeolE View Post
    What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER.
    Then, as a healer, I would legit try and optimize my auto attacks.

    Still got a DPS option I can milk.
    And with me not pressing buttons for minutes at a time I 100% would.
    Heck, some might prefer this and think it reminds them of FF11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VeolE View Post


    Man, who knew talking to a wall can be a real deal?

    But honestly give me your honest answer. Why should Healers not Optimize/DPS and should only heal?
    What if we remove ALL OF THE DPS SPELLS FOR HEALER. And all they can do is just "heal." So what if the party DON'T NEED ANY HEALING, so now you got your downtime to DPS... but wait... the buttons aren't there. What do you do now? Sit there and look pretty until someone takes 0.01% damage and spam your heals? Or what, because you definitely don't want to overheal.
    I’m fine with broil and CS but ED should be removed.
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