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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    That would be cool to see, but I can understand why they don't from a workload perspective.
    Every Ultimate would be 1 more raid to rebalance again for every expac and that would only lead to less Ultimate content lest it get too out of hand.

    Unless you just mean updating them every once in awhile?
    That would probably work a lot better.
    I mean yes it’s a bit of a hassle every new expansion but like i did say you just make the enrage and dps check around the new numbers for only the first new raid tier in the new expansion for all ultimates (old and new ones). With all the new abilities you do have on the new max lvl because even with new abilities you still die to the mechanics one shot if you mess them up anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    Optimal dps shouldn’t exist for healers is the problem.
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
    Also, consider most mechanics in this game are not meant to be healed through.

    When mechanics in this game are "Do this or wipe." No amount of healing can save you. This drastically reduces the value of healing. It means you can't catch up to people's mistakes.

    Did you get hit? You get a stacking vulnerability debuff that can't be removed. You get a "damage dealt down" debuff that can't be removed. You didn't get into the proper formation, you get sent off the arena and die. Explosions kill everybody. You can count actually heal check mechanics with the fingers of a single hand.

    I still don't get the "Shields let you skip mechanics" when most mechanics essentially one shot you, even with shields, or punish you to the point your whole pull gets doomed to enrage and wipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Also, consider most mechanics in this game are not meant to be healed through.

    When mechanics in this game are "Do this or wipe." No amount of healing can save you. This drastically reduces the value of healing. It means you can't catch up to people's mistakes.

    Did you get hit? You get a stacking vulnerability debuff that can't be removed. You get a "damage dealt down" debuff that can't be removed. You didn't get into the proper formation, you get sent off the arena and die. Explosions kill everybody. You can count actually heal check mechanics with the fingers of a single hand.

    I still don't get the "Shields let you skip mechanics" when most mechanics essentially one shot you, even with shields, or punish you to the point your whole pull gets doomed to enrage and wipe.
    Don’t forget overhealing the enrage so it doesn’t one shot you anymore…………..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Also, consider most mechanics in this game are not meant to be healed through.

    When mechanics in this game are "Do this or wipe." No amount of healing can save you. This drastically reduces the value of healing. It means you can't catch up to people's mistakes.

    Did you get hit? You get a stacking vulnerability debuff that can't be removed. You get a "damage dealt down" debuff that can't be removed. You didn't get into the proper formation, you get sent off the arena and die. Explosions kill everybody. You can count actually heal check mechanics with the fingers of a single hand.

    I still don't get the "Shields let you skip mechanics" when most mechanics essentially one shot you, even with shields, or punish you to the point your whole pull gets doomed to enrage and wipe.
    I think he's referring to things like the Wall-Cup-Game Orbs in e10s where, with a lot of overshielding and mitigation, you can tank the big damage wall and not have to do the mechanic. Note: this is unintended and requires a higher commitment of resources than most deem worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    Also, consider most mechanics in this game are not meant to be healed through.

    When mechanics in this game are "Do this or wipe." No amount of healing can save you. This drastically reduces the value of healing. It means you can't catch up to people's mistakes.

    Did you get hit? You get a stacking vulnerability debuff that can't be removed. You get a "damage dealt down" debuff that can't be removed. You didn't get into the proper formation, you get sent off the arena and die. Explosions kill everybody. You can count actually heal check mechanics with the fingers of a single hand.

    I still don't get the "Shields let you skip mechanics" when most mechanics essentially one shot you, even with shields, or punish you to the point your whole pull gets doomed to enrage and wipe.
    I hope they bring back something like Volcan Burst in Ifrit EX. Volcan Burst deals tiny damage, but it knocks you back. Shielding becomes useful because it can fully absorb the damage from Volcan Burst and prevent knock back.

    I also disagree with skipping mechanics with shields. Lots of mechanics in ARR ignore shields. There're also mechanics that only target player's HP, like Heartless Angel. Terror Unleashed,etc. We already know devs are capable of designing these mechanics. These are not the reason we cannot have good shielding actions.

    There're also too many one shot to my liking. Let us struggle. Let us try to recover from it. Let healer shine when they try to fix others' mistakes. Maybe instead of one shot, give us something like Healing Magic Down in E4S. Healers can still pump lots of healing to recover from mistakes, so we get to learn next incoming mechanics. I don't know what's the best way to replace current one shot mechanics, but i know those one shots are the reason why lots of healing actions are not needed.
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    Last edited by Aword3213; 09-23-2021 at 10:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    The only way to do this is to delete any sort of dpsing action that healers has. Glare? Malefix? Broil? Combust? Dia? Biolysis? Yeah, those. Delete them all, including our auto attacks.

    Even if they nerf our main damage spell down to 1 potency, that will still be the button we press -all the time- as long as no healing is needed at the moment.

    Given how majority of FFXIV encounter works, we'll have plenty of time to watch netflix as we 'play' our healer of choice unless everybody we're paired with simply lack of situational awareness 98% of time.
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    I can't fathom this being an actual mentality people have. Why would you want the game to be so boring and homogenized? Just go play white mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    Precisely! In order to kill the openers and 'rotation', we have to kill our Broil button! Because guess what? People throw out their raidwide buffs and debuffs from the start, and every certain window, which means even our hypothetical 1 potency Broil III will be boosted in said period. It would be the optimal choice to spam that Broil button. We can't have people do that! It's optimal dps option!

    Just leave them with Adloquium/Succor IV to do all job in one press then go back /beesknees until next incoming damage. Should be fine right? We're healers after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFuzzyMu11in View Post
    No I just want openers and rotations to die for healers. None of that press X button then weave Y etc. I like spamming broil the sooner ED is gone the better it will be imo.
    In the time it took you to type out the 40 or posts you've made about how "I don't wanna learn" you could have easily just learned your opener and made it muscle memory. Ruin II is just used to get a chance to use oGCDs, the real "opener" for scholar is put up Chain Stratagem -> Biolysis -> dump your aetherflow -> Dissipation -> dump your aetherflow again.

    You said you plan to get into Savage, but with your attitude you're going to get to your first clock position protean, overlap with someone, then say "SE please remove clock positions I don't wanna be east."
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