Stop the WoWificaton (ui mods)

[Vahlnir]

New influencers (incidentally Hardcores that destroyed WoW) come and gain money by A) disrespecting SE B) disrespecting old content creators C) making 'innocent' mods more accessible

The hardcore crowd has been using these things long before the sudden surge of WoW players. It also wasn't the "hardcores" who destroyed WoW. The development team did that. You'd be hard pressed to find a sizeable group of hardcore players that are actually happy with the game right now. I'm not defending the use of mods (and neither does SE, officially), but WoW players didn't start anything here. Get out with that nonsense. If you were trying to make a point, it fell flat on its face the moment you brought this into the mix.

[Hoehenflug]

The hardcore crowd has been using these things long before the sudden surge of WoW players. It also wasn't the "hardcores" who destroyed WoW. The development team did that. You'd be hard pressed to find a sizeable group of hardcore players that are actually happy with the game right now. I'm not defending the use of mods (and neither does SE, officially), but WoW players didn't start anything here. Get out with that nonsense.

What part of sharing it with casuals don't you understand?

And yes, Hardcore players influenced WoWs downfall to shift to raiding only. It's literally their job. If you don't see that you can't be helped. It's literally the same people that made DBM mandatory.

[Vahlnir]

And yes, Hardcore players influenced WoWs downfall to shift to raiding only. It's literally their job. If you don't see that you can't be helped.

You don't have any real understanding of the situation there then.

[Hoehenflug]

You don't have any real understanding of the situation there then.

You are literally avoiding any argument of substance. Please don't waste my time.

[Vahlnir]

You are literally avoiding any argument of substance. Please don't waste my time.

Nope. I'm just calling it as I see it. All this is, and what I was calling out, is that you were using this as an opportunity to bash a subset of the WoW player base and nothing more for things that aren't even in their control. Seems to be a bandwagon of sorts that people hop on in this game. I've watched it roll around for years now. It isn't productive, and it's also inaccurate.

[Awful]

You are literally avoiding any argument of substance. Please don't waste my time.

It's true though, people were using these long before WoW refugees were even a thing, why do you think world first raiders are coming to FFXIV? It's almost like their game is failing and Blizz is trying to keep the masses happy by doing literally anything at this point but the ship has sailed.

You don't even know the difference between a UI mod and an actual case of botting I couldn't care to read your ramble on the purists of 14 who btw still wreak havoc by moving their 30 houses around to flex, used Ungarmax in raid scenarios, but y'know it's the evil WoW hardcore players who brought the very idea of modding into another game, how dare they, they are the issue.

[Hoehenflug]

Nope. I'm just calling it as I see it. All this is, and what I was calling out, is that you were using this as an opportunity to bash a subset of the WoW player base and nothing more for things that aren't even in their control. Seems to be a bandwagon of sorts that people hop on in this game. I've watched it roll around for years now. It isn't productive, and it's also inaccurate.

Yes, I'm bashing the two people this topic was orignally created for, max and nagura from Limit. They are making money off of advertising mods. And this is neither healthy for casuals nor hardcores, mod users and non-modders. It's a pitty you have to defend millionaires that are clearly disrespecting this game's developer.

Besides, what do you think will happen when EW releases and these player run out of content within a month? They'll influence a mass exodus, squeezing out the last drop of value. That's what influencers do. The tide is already turning as we speak.

I wonder how many new (SCH) quit because of all the negativity hysteria fueled by greedy content creators and clickbait scams.

These people are literally the same people that shot down any negativity in the beginning of Shadowlands and told us to stfu and respec.

Do you think these people care about the health of the game? Do you think they care about a stable economy besides their own?

literally no substance

Why are you both equating WoW users to mod users? Not all WoW people are Limit watchers either. What are you even on about? I'm a WoW refugee myself.

[Vahlnir]

Yes, I'm bashing the two people this topic was orignally created for, max and nagura from Limit. They are making money off of advertising mods. And this is neither healthy for casuals nor hardcores, mod users and non-modders. It's a pitty you have to defend millionaires that are clearly disrespecting this game's developer.

I must have missed the part where I was defending the practices of a couple people or mod use in this game in general. It's almost as if it never happened!

[ForteNightshade]

RE: That's besides the point.

Old influencers didn't use mods in respect of SE policies
People used mods moderately in silence like Parsers, Undercutters, etc., the occasional grey zone abusers like Housing

It's cute you just... copy/pasted your post. For the sake of argument, let's dissect some of this.

"Old influencers" have been using mods and addons long before WoW players came into the fold. You're entirely naive to believe otherwise. In fact, it's SE complete lack of enforcement on any of their policies that emboldened the bot crisis. More on that in a bit though.

All these third party programs you've seen were readily available in Stormblood. And some new ones were developed in early Shadowbringers.

More people now know how to use harmful mods ( Auto-silencer, Bots) and will use them

Bot programs are used because SE does absolutely nothing about it. They were prominent long before the WoW incursion. Better yet, none of them have been shown publicly by any streamer. What's gained them notoriety is SE's own complete incompetence or willful ignorance when it comes to actually handling bots. Several people have openly acknowledged they bot because, "It's not like SE will ban me lol." Texture mods and Cactbot have nothing to do with Market board bots. SE is entirely to blame for their growth.

More players, especially PS4, will get excluded ( no-parsers etc)

This does not happen. And it pretty much never has. It's the boogeyman some casual players point to as an excuse for why they can't do Savage. There are World First players that either play on console or use a controller. Years ago, people insisted ACT would lead to the exclusion of console players yet it never happened. Then triggers was supposedly going to do them in. Still never happened. Texture mods were next and nope. All of these have been around for years yet console players still haven't been excluded. Some minor aesthetic addons/QoL will have the same impact: i.e., none whatsoever.

[OranKells]

well if we can't play nice with mods the maybe we should just take the UI out all together. we're gonna go back to straight terminal commands. that will show them.


I don't have a strong opinion on UI mods because, and this is an important point so please pay attention, the way other people see the game does not impact me and its frankly none of my business.

That said I think the need to spend time and effort on a third party unsanctioned modification to make one game look like an old game you used to play out either a fear of unfamiliar or an inability to move on or whatever might be something worth discussing with your therapist. Maybe enjoy the game for what it is rather than what we hoped wow could have been. but again none of this effects me.

Mods will never be sanctioned for several reasons, but there is no way to stop personal use. UNLESS the mods are used to harass or bully people.

Y'all need to chill.