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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    It might actually be vastly superior. If the heal on damage is percentage based, imagine what happens during trash aoe...or better yet, just look at warrior healing with NF during aoe.
    If it's anything like what I wrote in my Dancer Healer proposal pre-ShB, it's just flat potency in both cases. I'm tempted to just post my ShB healer rework proposals in a separate wishlist thread to get the point across to SE that you actually can make kits that fit how they design fights.
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    Mechanics are Aesthetics. Graphics don't make interesting gameplay.

  2. #32
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    The leech appears to be ~35-40% of damage dealt.

    It may be less on aoe spells, but likely not. AoE generally has lower potency.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    It might actually be vastly superior. If the heal on damage is percentage based, imagine what happens during trash aoe...or better yet, just look at warrior healing with NF during aoe.
    At this point, what is even the point of the other Healers? At this point, Sage wouldn't even need to touch a single heal oGCD since that buff has no time duration.

    It's not just better that Embrace, it's Embrace PLUS Synastry COMBINED with Assize.

    It's the most rediculous ability they've ever conceived.
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  4. #34
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    Ea Sin
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    At this point, what is even the point of the other Healers? At this point, Sage wouldn't even need to touch a single heal oGCD since that buff has no time duration.

    It's not just better that Embrace, it's Embrace PLUS Synastry COMBINED with Assize.

    It's the most rediculous ability they've ever conceived.
    We'll need to see potencies to be sure but yeah.. Not looking good.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    We'll need to see potencies to be sure but yeah.. Not looking good.
    If it's anything like what they did to SCH historically it'll be 100 potency damage and 120 potency healing.
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    Petition Thread for "Playable Loporrits": https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/436512-Make-them-Playable-You-Cowards
    Are You Happy with the Endwalker Healer Reveal? - Poll: https://strawpoll.vote/polls/2e6mxhnx/vote - Thread: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/443437-Poll-Are-You-Happy-with-the-Healer-Kit-Reveal-for-Endwalker

    Mechanics are Aesthetics. Graphics don't make interesting gameplay.

  6. #36
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    At this point, what is even the point of the other Healers? At this point, Sage wouldn't even need to touch a single heal oGCD since that buff has no time duration.

    It's not just better that Embrace, it's Embrace PLUS Synastry COMBINED with Assize.

    It's the most rediculous ability they've ever conceived.
    I like the ability because it reminds me of discipline priest, but for XIV it is indeed pretty ridiculous.
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    Erakir Pompop
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    Based on the translated action tooltips in another thread, it appears the healing potency is static between all the abilities (Currently listed as 170 on everything), not tied to a percentage of damage done. I imagine it'll stay that way.

    So none of the "Tank pulled 3 packs now the SGE passively heals 4x as much."
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  8. #38
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    The leech appears to be ~35-40% of damage dealt.

    It may be less on aoe spells, but likely not. AoE generally has lower potency.
    There is no "leech" the heal seems to be an independent effect. It just triggers when the Sage casts certain spells. It seems to have 170 potency.
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  9. #39
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    There is no "leech" the heal seems to be an independent effect. It just triggers when the Sage casts certain spells. It seems to have 170 potency.
    Ah. Weaker than regen, then. Over 18 seconds you get around 7 casts, which puts it around 1190, or about the same as Regen. The spell enhancer is a 1.0 second GCD. Regen is better for multiple targets, while Faerie/Leech is "Free" on the GCD.

    However the Faerie cannot simultaneously Embrace multiple targets and the Sage cannot designate more than one, so the auto healing is comparably poor for spot healing. Now they just need to exploit that difference more.
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  10. #40
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    Pneuma II is an oGCD damage AoE with 510 potency with 45s CD and 2 charges that also triggers that effect. Potentially you can weave it in during your dot (Which the application off also triggers said heal.)

    In fact all your Damaging spells with Sage seem to trigger that effect. Including your AoE art of war equivalent and the instant GCD you get when your "leech" target gets attacked by an enemy (Apparently, its not confirmed. When the enemy attacks your Cardia target, you gain a stack of Purple circles, that is used for the 330 potency instant GCD aoe.)
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    Last edited by GrimGale; 09-19-2021 at 04:07 AM.

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