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    "There wasn't much we could really do with SCH"

    So anyone else find this statement from Yoshi-p a tad.... unfounded?

    or it it just me?
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    "Though the history of that age tells of countless wars waged with earth-shattering incantations, it was the brilliant strategic maneuvering of Nym's scholars that allowed their mundane army of mariners to throw back would-be conquerers time and again." -FFXIV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raylazer11 View Post
    So anyone else find this statement from Yoshi-p a tad.... unfounded?

    or it it just me?
    The dev team is washed up. They may as well remove healer all together and add enhanced Trusts NPCs to cover the job for you. That way everyone can focus on the classes they put more than 10 minutes of design and development time into.
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    when you play no healer and have no clue what you do with them ofc you would say that also. Like job balance team having no healer player so they go like no clue what we do with sch maybe remove energy drain again shrug
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raylazer11 View Post
    So anyone else find this statement from Yoshi-p a tad.... unfounded?

    or it it just me?
    It showed a lack of imagination to me. There are a lot of things they can do with SCH, but that statement single handedly destroyed my faith in their ability to do anything good for SCH. And after just watching how Sage works (it can essentially partner with somebody and heal them just by damaging the enemy), SCH may be dead in endgame content, depending on how everything looks (including the new traits/moves) in EW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raylazer11 View Post
    So anyone else find this statement from Yoshi-p a tad.... unfounded?

    or it it just me?
    Depends on how you look at it.

    Balance wise, I can see it. There's some people that act like SCH is a trash job when really it's quite strong. Add to that it's getting a mobility ability, when mobility has been one of the things that's historically unbalanced FF14 healers so much.

    If you mean in terms of rotation/flow - could it use the SMN treatment? Yeah, I could see SCH needing that too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Depends on how you look at it.

    Balance wise, I can see it. There's some people that act like SCH is a trash job when really it's quite strong. Add to that it's getting a mobility ability, when mobility has been one of the things that's historically unbalanced FF14 healers so much.

    If you mean in terms of rotation/flow - could it use the SMN treatment? Yeah, I could see that too
    Like dont get me wrong but even in ultimates you almost never need 2 sprint in a row for mechanics and i dont think they gonna implement that for endwalker. so even with the mobility buffs its nice too have but you dont need it in anyway. I rather have a not shit ai fairy that also when you do dmg heals strong and consistant the maintank so you only need ogcds for the group. Like sage looks super stacked in comparison too sch, like having mike tyson on crack fight a 5 year old toddler. Its simply not fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    Like dont get me wrong but even in ultimates you almost never need 2 sprint in a row for mechanics and i dont think they gonna implement that for endwalker. so even with the mobility buffs its nice too have but you dont need it in anyway. I rather have a not shit ai fairy that also when you do dmg heals strong and consistant the maintank so you only need ogcds for the group. Like sage looks super stacked in comparison too sch, like having mike tyson on crack fight a 5 year old toddler. Its simply not fair.
    I'm not so sure about that. SCH still has fey union for example, in addition to regular fairy healing, which are very powerful tools for not minding the tank much. Just to use this one facet as an example.

    Of course in an event like this they want to make sage look very cool, while SCH just has the same "old and boring" stuff, but it's not bad.

    Though, again, if some want SCH to get an overhaul like SMN did, I can understand that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    I'm not so sure about that. SCH still has fey union for example, in addition to regular fairy healing, which are very powerful tools for not minding the tank much. Just to use this one facet as an example.

    Of course in an event like this they want to make sage look very cool, while SCH just has the same "old and boring" stuff, but it's not bad.

    Though, again, if some want SCH to get an overhaul like SMN did, I can understand that too.
    The problem here is the tank can move too a bad spot making the line break and you are forced too apply it again. Sage just blasts and heals the tank anywere. Now the real question is has sage a tool like indo as ogcd if yes its the better sch if not you still have the astro using his 100 ogcds heals he has every min for free too top the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortex View Post
    Like dont get me wrong but even in ultimates you almost never need 2 sprint in a row for mechanics and i dont think they gonna implement that for endwalker. so even with the mobility buffs its nice too have but you dont need it in anyway. I rather have a not shit ai fairy that also when you do dmg heals strong and consistant the maintank so you only need ogcds for the group. Like sage looks super stacked in comparison too sch, like having mike tyson on crack fight a 5 year old toddler. Its simply not fair.
    But, think back to O12S for a moment.

    Could white mage clear it? Technically, yes.

    But SCH and AST were able to do it with vastly more ease, and that fight alone pushed things towards a much harder exclusion of WHM even though SCH+AST was already considered the better combo at the time.

    Mobility can be very powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Add to that it's getting a mobility ability, when mobility has been one of the things that's historically unbalanced FF14 healers so much.
    Weave space useful for movement and oGCDs and a +20% brief movement speed buff that itself uses up weave space are two very, very different types of mobility.
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