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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch View Post

    As for Zenos...
    On the note of Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus:

    My guess is that Zenos already had some dormant form of the Echo, and the Resonance essentially put a double layer on him, which allowed him to use some of the more advanced Echo abilities the Ascians, such as determining soul colors, body-hopping, I think he did the void portal teleport at one point, and so on.

    That said, I don't think either Emet-Selch or Hythlodaeus are involved. As far as we know currently, nobody involved in the Resonance project knew Solus was an Ascian, and at this point I don't think Emet-Selch cared about any of his human progeny. Likewise, Hythlodaeus doesn't seem likely, seeing as the one we interact with is a simulacrum and the original has an unknown fate (we don't know if they died during the Final Days, were sacrificed to Zodiark, or something else).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbreaker25 View Post
    On the note of Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus:

    My guess is that Zenos already had some dormant form of the Echo, and the Resonance essentially put a double layer on him, which allowed him to use some of the more advanced Echo abilities the Ascians, such as determining soul colors, body-hopping, I think he did the void portal teleport at one point, and so on.

    That said, I don't think either Emet-Selch or Hythlodaeus are involved. As far as we know currently, nobody involved in the Resonance project knew Solus was an Ascian, and at this point I don't think Emet-Selch cared about any of his human progeny. Likewise, Hythlodaeus doesn't seem likely, seeing as the one we interact with is a simulacrum and the original has an unknown fate (we don't know if they died during the Final Days, were sacrificed to Zodiark, or something else).

    I think resonance does both, unlock the potential Echo a perso has, and give more power to someone without enough strength. So if this is done to someone who already has active Echo, one can think it will create the kind of powerful thing Zenos is. You are probably right.

    Possession is usual for ascians, but soul sight seems not so common. Zenos' line about "the color of Fandaniel's soul" hints to this peculiar power.
    We know Emet Selch can see souls and track them in the soulstream.
    For Zenos, as he is a blood heir to Solus aka Emet, it is possible he inherited Emet's soul pattern.
    Zenos dreaming of Amaurot could mean he already had active Echo when he was a child, so he could see visions of Solus' memory.
    We also know Hythlodaeus had etheric vision, he was best at this. So Emet giving Zenos Hythlodaeus' soul pattern is also a possibility.

    The resonance process made his power stronger. It gave him the ability to possess another body, ascian-like. Elidibus aknowledges this as "impressive".

    Whatever way it was done, I think Kagetokage and you are right, Zenos is now the closest thing to the power of an unsundered soul. He wants to devour Zodiark's power. He wants to fight. He doesn't care for anything else. Maybe he was designed from birth for this, to become an avatar and defeat Hydaelyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorius View Post
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    The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbreaker25 View Post
    The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.
    Only thing I remember is this line when Zenos talks about his dreams.



    Translation from french : "few remember the Final Days so clearly, now. I wonder if Emet-Selch has a hand in it."

    What does he say in other langages?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valorius View Post
    What does he say in other langages?
    Fandaniel wonders if Emet-Selch "hand a hand in it" or in English "found a way" (the question being "a way...to what?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steelbreaker25 View Post
    The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.

    Emet was the Ascian responsible for Vauthry. He's not opposed to getting to grips with details like that. Also, on a purely speculative note, it could end up that Zenos was modified in the womb in a similar way as Vauthry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mieck View Post
    Emet was the Ascian responsible for Vauthry. He's not opposed to getting to grips with details like that. Also, on a purely speculative note, it could end up that Zenos was modified in the womb in a similar way as Vauthry.
    The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?

    Emet said, partly tounge-in-cheek in response to an insulting question from Thancred, that Ascians scheme every hour of every day. I'm sure they have hundreds of plans in play at any one time, and across all remaining shards. From a purely practical writing standpoint, those offer us multiple future plot threads - "uh, oh, Ascian scheme #253 has caused x catastrophe because no Ascians are around to manage them any more!" - but any, all, or none of our theories may be answered in 6.0.

    As Koji would say, "Speculate, speculate, speculate!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?
    One of my theories is Emet tried with Allag and maybe Zenos to try and get a body to have the same amount of aether that an Ancient would. After all the Allagans were just normal sized beings. Only after the resurrection of Xande did Amon get a few other ideas. Thus it would be natural to mess around and try again with a body and soul like Zenos.
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