Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
The argument is that "We are less engaging and weaker".

The reality is "We are subjectively less engaging and stronger than we've ever been."

Healers moving into Shadowbringers were -brought up to the level of Astrologian at the end of Stormblood- in terms of their damage contribution. Take a moment to consider that. Of all the jobs in this expansion, healers proportionally increased the most in terms of raid damage. Attempting to paint the scenario as that not being the case is disingenuous. Why should I, or any one else for that matter, take an argument seriously when the facts are being misrepresented so?

When you are making subjective arguments, purposely making up information that is objective in an attempt to sway the argument should not only be corrected but called out.

I would hope that you would do no less to me if I said "Healers are in the best spot they've ever been because they deal more damage than bards.", and I would expect no less. I'd honestly be insulted if you didn't.
I mean, fair enough. However the arguement is really less about damage, and more about how the role overall feels. I think that's where the rub is coming from; adding mathematical information to a subjectively emotional topic is kind of like saying Apples and Oranges are the same because they are fruit.

Yes, they are fruit, however they taste entirely different, and some people may like them, and some may not.

I don't mind the presenting of mathematical information, however it's relevancy inside this topic is a bit off kilter, and off subject. It merely deflects the topic, rather than moving it forward.

You are without a doubt one of the more logical and factually accurate posters I've seen over the years, I will indeed tip my hat at that Kabooa.