Request: Please take MSQ dungeons out of the Mentor Roulette

[RokkuEkkusu]

Since there are replies here, might as well break it down:

I´ve a completely different experience. The most newcomers do listen to what have been said. Some even ask for advice in ANY instance at the beginning with the claiming to be new. Maybe in 1/10 runs you get that guy who closed the chat, don´t watch at it or just don´t speak one of my languages. Savage / EX content in Mentor roulette has never been an issue for me so far.

Good for you and well done since I'll take your word for it here. Not everyone has the same experience as you. In fact, most of the upvoted replies in this following reddit thread pretty much illustrates how I feel on Extreme Trials in Mentor Roulette:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...a_mentor_is_a/

This has also been my experience. There are a FEW fights that are an EXTREME hassle to deal with (Ramuh EX, Nidhogg EX, sometimes Thordan, but sometimes that's really easy to force a group through it.) But generally speaking EX Trials in general are extremely easy to get clears in. I'll admit I haven't gotten all of the HW, but all of the ARR EX Trials save for Ramuh listed before are guaranteed clears in my parties. HW I've gotten Ravana(easy, usually can be done in one pull) Bismark(might take two pulls if other tank doesn't know the swap mechanic), Thordan (This one can be tough, but you can easily type out each mechanic as it's coming, and mark spots that help with all the rest of the mechanics up until the final phase. From there it's a crapshoot), Sophia (Easy, just mark yourself and tell people to follow you as you do mechanics properly), Sephirot (easy, but might take a few pulls as people get situated with the different color buffs and what to do when they have them)....I've only gotten 1 nidhogg EX run so far and it's been a disaster and I feel like might not be possible to clear in roulette....I feel like Zurvan would be too, because I remember him having some pretty specific mechanics but I've never gotten Zurvan EX to really find out if it can just be forced through with DPS.

Never gotten a single Stormblood EX trial at all. Could be that by the time you're 70, you realize that you're supposed to just do this with your buddy at level 80 unsync'd or some such.

So with that said I'll still take a Prae over say, a Ramuh for instance. But clearing prae in 40-45 minutes is impossible in a pug. So that's a straight lie.

Edit for Rokku: Prae is just over 29 minutes of cut scenes. That's 29 minutes you cannot skip. Doing a quick search on Prae speed runs, people were doing them in 21 minutes when you could skip cut scenes.

You know what that means? 29 + 21 = ???

Even if you could shave off some more time because of item level, assuming these people doing these speed runs were at the ilvl of the time, you aren't shaving off ten minutes because of your item level. Sorry, that's just not happening lol. So, in a pug, too, you aren't doing better than 50 minutes. That's just not happening on a consistent enough basis to say that you can do it in that time. Sorry.

Edit 2: Because I can't stop looking into it. Just found the speedrun time for Prae on speedrun.com. Unsynced, solo instance someone did it in 38 minutes and 58 seconds being able to one shot the bosses but still forced to watch cut scenes. So you're saying the person who can one shot all of the bosses barely did it in less than 40 minutes, and a group of synced people can do it in 40? Naw, that's just factually incorrect my guy.

For Prae, I start when the instance timer clock starts. At that time, I have my FC 10 minute food buff on and my food lasts for 40 minutes total. It runs out after our group beats Ultima Weapon. After our groups beat Lahabrea, it usually ends at the 77-75 minute mark on the instance timer. And I said earlier if your group does press their buttons in which they DON'T AFK and make use of their rewards, then it would be a smooth run. Everyone's mileage may vary.

On EX Primals, it can go many ways, but since you brought up Heavensward EX trials, might as well bring up a few things:

You do have a point about Ravana EX, assuming the tanks do rememeber to split damage on Blinding Blade, take the prey, and party does their damage rotations well. Most of the time back in Heavensward from 3.3 and on, players tend to beat Ravana before Final Liberation went off. If party members did their rotations more properly, they would win before Swift Liberation went off.

Bismarck EX is indeed tank dependent on the adds, and people making sure they get off the boss before the shakes the Dragonkiller cannons off.

You said brought up the "last phase" for Thordan. Ironically, that phase is the easiest one post Ultimate End because it's basically room wide aoes from the Knights, plus Thordan being invincible if Ser Zephirin is up. It usually becomes very tough during the second, third, or fourth Knights of the Round phases.

You could clear Nidhogg EX in Roulette provided tanks can manage aggro on the adds, people killing adds in the right order, people seeing Nidhogg during his Cauterizes, keeping an eye on their chain color during Claw & Fang, baiting aoes during Sable Price balls, among other things.

Back in patch 3.4, people in fact used Raid Finder for Sophia EX because it was the only method to use the "Duty Complete" tag, and it was queued normally as if it was a Duty Finder. It obviously isn't gonna happen this time around.