Suggestion: Change the Mentor Icons

[ICountFrom0]

NN and Mentors sound good when you're talking about a gaming experience pre-2010. Now, you can google anything for the game, and players who have put in the work to catalogue items and put together guides. Mentors are really unnecessary and I've never seen a need for them. Remove the program from the game, and life would go on as normal.

Honestly, most of the work as a mentor is knowing what keywords to google, and then translating 10 pages of a guide into small and simple words to explain it.

But, wouldn't you know, folks would rather go into NN and ASK, instead of google. Never knew why that was. No matter how bad NN is on a given server, people still ask things, and still get answered.

Also idk who Barren is but my experience with NN is that its a terrible place that doesnt help any sprouts you get pointed to git gut or go figure it out yourself. And no actual people wanting to help you with simple game related questions. These mentors were more busy feeding their own ego then being helpful.

And did you report that person for harassment?
Not to victim bash, but you report people who do hateful things, they get banned, and there's less hate.

Lastly when in a duty via mentor roulette the mentor can not be dismissed or abandon the duty until completion, timed out or they are the last player in the duty.. all other players my leave without penalty if they need.. the mentor can also not call a vote dismiss on other players in that duty too..

This will let players recognize the mentor, keep the mentors who wanna help as mentors and punish those that were just in it for a crown or mount.

So, a mentor could be harassed, for 90 minutes, by another player, and be unable to leave without penalty, if somebody wants?
You really want to make sure that nobody shows up when a dungeon is "in need" and "in progress".

Yeah, the system is completely unnecessary, and there is no need for "mentor" status to help new players in-game either.

So, you just want people who don't understand the results of google, to go unanswered forever?
May you never be without somebody who can help you, if you are ever in trouble. May you never feel alone or lost. May this thing you have wished on others never happen to you.


Seriously. I'd looked up how to catch a certain fish, from feast of famine, in two different places. Both places said the same steps. I did those steps, for months. No fish.

.... why? Because there was another step that just wasn't explained on any site that google brought up. Those 2 more popular pages, and other sites that copy and pasted them owned the top results in the search.

If I had had somebody to ask about it, well... I wouldn't have spent two months wasted catching one fish. Once I DID have the missing piece, I caught it within an hour.

Sometimes, you just need help.

Sometimes that help is another person.

*raises a mug*

A toast, to help always being there, somewhere, somehow.

[SturmChurro]

So, you just want people who don't understand the results of google, to go unanswered forever?
May you never be without somebody who can help you, if you are ever in trouble. May you never feel alone or lost. May this thing you have wished on others never happen to you.


Seriously. I'd looked up how to catch a certain fish, from feast of famine, in two different places. Both places said the same steps. I did those steps, for months. No fish.

.... why? Because there was another step that just wasn't explained on any site that google brought up. Those 2 more popular pages, and other sites that copy and pasted them owned the top results in the search.

If I had had somebody to ask about it, well... I wouldn't have spent two months wasted catching one fish. Once I DID have the missing piece, I caught it within an hour.

Sometimes, you just need help.

Sometimes that help is another person.

*raises a mug*

A toast, to help always being there, somewhere, somehow.

I don't think I have ever actually asked anyone for gameplay related "help" in-game. Players either freely gave tips out (whether I wanted it or not), or I found a written guide (extremes/savage, hunt target location(s), etc.). I prefer to learn by doing. I used the Novice Network for one question, and that question was about how I should go about reporting a mentor; if SE actually enforces their guidelines. I got kicked out of the NN and harassed in whisper over that one - by multiple mentors. I should say this happened on my sprout alt, when I joined the NN just to see what it was about. I never joined the NN on my main.

Anyway, I do not think mentorship is a requirement for giving help in this game, as I was trying to say in that very quote.

[Baxcel]

So, a mentor could be harassed, for 90 minutes, by another player, and be unable to leave without penalty, if somebody wants?
You really want to make sure that nobody shows up when a dungeon is "in need" and "in progress".

You have options to hide chat ingame.. how could they harass you in a duty for 90min without a chat unless your saying attempting the content is harassment to a player who signed up for the roulette?

An no I said the mentor couldn't leave until one of those conditions are met.. they shouldn't be leaving till they're met anyways

[Xirean]

You have options to hide chat ingame.. how could they harass you in a duty for 90min without a chat unless your saying attempting the content is harassment to a player who signed up for the roulette?

An no I said the mentor couldn't leave until one of those conditions are met.. they shouldn't be leaving till they're met anyways

Holding someone captive in an instance is harassment by any definition. It's somewhat common in Mobas. Also if this change was implemented, people would try harder to find a way out of it. Forcing the game closed is often a go to strategy. Additionally you defined the rules for Mentors being allowed to leave as "they are the last on there" which instantly doesn't work if there is two or more mentors present.

[Baxcel]

Holding someone captive in an instance is harassment by any definition. It's somewhat common in Mobas. Also if this change was implemented, people would try harder to find a way out of it. Forcing the game closed is often a go to strategy. Additionally you defined the rules for Mentors being allowed to leave as "they are the last on there" which instantly doesn't work if there is two or more mentors present.

Yes they could try forcing a D/C but as I said they can't be removed via vote dismiss.. so that player would effectively be unable to play the game until they logged back in an completed the duty or the other players completed it or left.. thus ensuring that the player has to commit to the roulette or not play the game for how ever long it would take..

Additionally if everyone was a mentor left in the duty that still completes the requirement that it just being the mentor remaining inside so they could then leave..

To be honest SE needs to Crack down on the shit mentors are pulling ingame.. we all know what they are and how they are doing them and it needs to end.. end the system or start banning players from being mentors somehow..

[van_arn]

Yes they could try forcing a D/C but as I said they can't be removed via vote dismiss.. so that player would effectively be unable to play the game until they logged back in an completed the duty or the other players completed it or left.. thus ensuring that the player has to commit to the roulette or not play the game for how ever long it would take..

Additionally if everyone was a mentor left in the duty that still completes the requirement that it just being the mentor remaining inside so they could then leave..

To be honest SE needs to Crack down on the shit mentors are pulling ingame.. we all know what they are and how they are doing them and it needs to end.. end the system or start banning players from being mentors somehow..

Ok, since players can't be forced to play the game you'd just end up with mentors holding entire EX groups hostage with a 2 bar LB and offline status. You're encouraging an arms race of toxicity when the simplest solution is to let anyone that doesn't want to be there leave.

Yes, it's best to permit the standard penalty and allow backfill. Even if the group collapses, especially if the group collapses.

Furthermore, if I somehow "give" you the option that Square has it in their power to prevent Mentors from withdrawing from an instance (again, they don't; you'll just not see them), that only incentivizes mentors to remove players that have failed to prepare for the fight in question so they get a fast clear and can move on.

The core problem with extremes in mentor roulette is the penalty for staying is greater than the penalty for leaving. Adjust the penalty for any of it you'll notice an increase in queue times across the board, not just extremes.

If anything can be changed, it's the entire concept of an extreme duty finder queue. I'd much rather we go back to the days of Wineport premades only for extreme/savage content just to keep that content hidden from view outside of PF, especially when the alternative is a sprout trying to demand players sandbag them.