Live letter expectations.

[SweetPete]

I see you guys point but to be honest the only things I miss from old scholar is being able to use fairy skills while healing and dps. I also miss Selene’s aoe cleanse and aoe haste skill. I miss being able to make dots aoe but that’s for all healers though. I actually don’t miss the 3-4 dots scholar had. Kinda glad their gone. I don’t miss cleric stance either.

I actually quite like the more healer oriented scholar that we currently have. Now don’t get me wrong I love to dps and help my team but if I want to truly go ham with dps and rotations and such, I play summoner. I never had a issue with broil spam since it’s always been like that.

I do hope they give scholar a bit more flare but overall I actually like scholar. Get rid of aetherflow and give lustrate and Indom charges like they have in pvp. Aetherpact needs more pop too. More stratagems will be nice as well.

[Maltothoris]

He was completely off the mark actually.

I think what gets me was that he wasn't wrong when that this happened. He was wrong about when it happened. The sch doing the dps happened in the first half of Heavensward. I still remember mrhappy's clear video of plus a few other instances with the other fights. It was around 3.4 that groups started to realized that both healers doing dps was actually a gain so they had to figure a healing priority which is I recall with Astro/Sch, was whispering dawn>collective>indom>aspected helios. Hell I remember going back through the logs and Sch were basically on par with their partners.

But ya, I can bring myself to trust their word on anything regarding the healers.. This was the team that legit thought that Stb lilies in their first form were a good idea. Then they did nothing to make it better after making cure 1 being 100 percent for getting one to try to make it better. They didn't at all touch the secret of the lilies 2 when it had that stupid proc gate of a 20 percent change that a crit cure 1 or cure 2 could reduce asylum or assize's cd by 5 seconds. They even admit farther defeat on it in 4.2 when bension didn't need the lily requirement anymore. Finally, there was the 4.5 changes. which being too little too late with the enmity changes, they just superbuffed Assize and just give PI its original duration which should of stay that way.

Not to mention the lack of healer questions they would answer or the fact that they just didn't talk about healers in general in everything leading up to shadowbringers. So my apologizes for not having too much optimism but they given their choices over the past, it's hard for to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Deceptus]

I think it was a bit much but I did see Yoshi P’s point. He said scholars would leave the bulk of the healing to their healing partners in raids and that wasn’t fair. He was right. Now I didn’t think they would go hard like they did on scholar and I agree that it is nothing like it use to be. But let’s be honest here. Scholar needed to be knocked down a peg.

No. . . he wasn't.

During that exact time where Yoshi made that statement this was the state of healers in difficult content:



He couldn't have been more wrong. There are more than a few instances where Yoshi-P has no idea what's going on in his own game.

And the majority of those instances has been in job design. I don't know if he's assuming or getting bad info from his team but as the producer, he doesn't get the luxury of being wrong a whole lot.

[Mortex]

No. . . he wasn't.

During that exact time where Yoshi made that statement this was the state of healers in difficult content:



He couldn't have been more wrong. There are more than a few instances where Yoshi-P has no idea what's going on in his own game.

And the majority of those instances has been in job design. I don't know if he's assuming or getting bad info from his team but as the producer, he doesn't get the luxury of being wrong a whole lot.

I mean it isn’t that hard to ask top healer players for things you can too make healer better in general. Like when you have no clue you ask peps who have it.

[Aluja89]

Scholar absolutely dominated the healer meta for six years. It was a jack and master of all trades. It suffocated healer design space. Squeenix nerfed the everloving crap out of it in Shadowbringers because they were sick of trying to take a careful scalpel to the beast only to see it still dictating party composition after poking around at it.

Shadowbringers changes made Scholar boring, and that sucks. But it absolutely needed the everloving crap nerfed out of it.

People enjoyed the only good and powerful designed healer? Shocker.

[Anhra]

Scholar absolutely dominated the healer meta for six years. It was a jack and master of all trades. It suffocated healer design space. Squeenix nerfed the everloving crap out of it in Shadowbringers because they were sick of trying to take a careful scalpel to the beast only to see it still dictating party composition after poking around at it.

Shadowbringers changes made Scholar boring, and that sucks. But it absolutely needed the everloving crap nerfed out of it.

I can't speak up for anything before Stormblood, but i think it would have been a way better design choice to further improve both WHM and AST back then, in a way that both have qualifying features which the other Healers do not have, instead of just going full easy street and just nerf the most powerful one

[MintnHoney]

I mean it isn’t that hard to ask top healer players for things you can too make healer better in general.

It is, when you're trying your hardest to keep a reputation of not caring for or wanting to acknowledge the player-made meta.

[Deceptus]

Scholar absolutely dominated the healer meta for six years. It was a jack and master of all trades. It suffocated healer design space. Squeenix nerfed the everloving crap out of it in Shadowbringers because they were sick of trying to take a careful scalpel to the beast only to see it still dictating party composition after poking around at it.

Shadowbringers changes made Scholar boring, and that sucks. But it absolutely needed the everloving crap nerfed out of it.

And Scholars at that time who were giving legitimate feedback noticed how much WHM was struggling and AST to a certain extent as well.

They asked for the FFXIV devs to bring the other two jobs up instead of nerfing everything down to bare bones.

But lets talk about how much SCH's were "nerfed".

They had their damage gutted. The fairy had minor potency decreases. That was about it. Each of the healers turned into AST when it came to Damage, a change no serious AST would have wished on anyone.

Scholar was good because it had a complete kit, whereas WHM was specialized in pure, blunt healing.

[Brandedblade]

Scholar was OP as all heck in ARR/HW/SB. You could dps and do literally very little to no actual healing, adlo, succor and leave it all to your fairy. When your fairy can solo heal dungeons it’s OP. Embrace was ridiculously OP. Not sure if you were on these forums back then but people complained that scholar needed to be nerfed badly and finally in Shb they were.

I think it was a bit much but I did see Yoshi P’s point. He said scholars would leave the bulk of the healing to their healing partners in raids and that wasn’t fair. He was right. Now I didn’t think they would go hard like they did on scholar and I agree that it is nothing like it use to be. But let’s be honest here. Scholar needed to be knocked down a peg.

While in a fully optimized environment the sch was absolutely contributing to the heals and in some cases covering the majority of it. This tended to not always be the case in lower end content. The scenario Yoshi-P describes may not be accurate for 99th percentile sch players but it was definitely a thing in lower tiers, the SCH failing to properly utilize their faerie and tunnel visioning their significantly more convoluted dps rotation was something that was oft joked about. The whole 'SCH was a dps with a faerie pet thing' came from somewhere.

But even so the fact that SCH was so overwhelmingly dominant but also incredibly difficult to master meant that whether we like it or not the snipping was going to happen.

[Teno]

Dungeons are faceroll to begin with (and an absolute chore). That the fairy can solo heal them shows absolutely nothing. I wish they'd just redesign this part of the game entirely.

At this point it feels like healers (and tanks to an extent) are just there so that dps can enjoy their time in pretty much all forms of content.