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  1. #41
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SpiralMask View Post
    eh, whatever changes they announce will have been set in stone for at least a few months if the team is confident enough in their progress to bring them into the LL. if they do kneecap us even further it's not like KDSilver jinxed anyone.
    Well, maybe not KDSilver, but it could, in fact, be aliens.

    I would say that my only expectation is that they explain themselves about the Healer changes coming up in the next expansion, if only because they put out the excuse of needing to fix healing this expansion in the first place (and also because of the disdain they ended up getting because of their changes this expansion, from all regions), but I fear even that much is just begging for disappointment.
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    Last edited by MintnHoney; 08-31-2021 at 06:43 PM.

  2. #42
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    Videra Svenay
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 83
    What they need to do is rebrand the healer role as support and roll buffs/debuffs into the four upcoming classes, as well as broaden their DPS kits. But they aren't going to do that, and my expectations are already ten thousand leagues under.
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  3. #43
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Sheesh so many negative Nancy’s. I understand the frustrations but let’s have a little hope. Whatever happened to have a little hope and have a little faith?
    3 expansions of getting beaten down tends to do that to a role.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  4. #44
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    Sedalia's Avatar
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    Shadow Torment
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Personally, I want Aero III back, and/or some other form of dps spell or ability, maybe like Assize that deals damage and/or heal? and I'm really hoping that "Fluid Aura II" we saw in the benchmark isn't actually a shield, or else what'd even be the point of separating healers into regen/barrier if we're getting one either way

    That said, my expectations are:
    WHM: no changes whatsoever, gets Fluid Aura II
    AST: still WHM 2.0 but maybe cards get a minor overhaul again
    SCH: ....honestly, I have no idea, the job is just a mess all over the place
    Sage (SGE?): Noct 2.0
    thats not a shield targeted defensive cooldown
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  5. #45
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    Faux Ears
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Crazy how much negativity there is towards healers! I think both WHM and AST are a lot of fun to play. SCH is kinda borked at the moment but I have hope that they'll fix it in the coming expansion.
    AST was pretty bad when ShB first came out, but they listened to feedback (to the extent they could without completely redesigning the card system again) and buffed it to what it is today. WHM was kinda bad in StB but they fixed it in ShB and it's just fine if you ask me. SCH... well at least it's better than what it was at the start of ShB.

    I don't care if people don't agree with me, I just want to throw my two cents in for whatever it's worth.
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  6. #46
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    Crazy how much negativity there is towards healers! I think both WHM and AST are a lot of fun to play. SCH is kinda borked at the moment but I have hope that they'll fix it in the coming expansion.
    AST was pretty bad when ShB first came out, but they listened to feedback (to the extent they could without completely redesigning the card system again) and buffed it to what it is today. WHM was kinda bad in StB but they fixed it in ShB and it's just fine if you ask me. SCH... well at least it's better than what it was at the start of ShB.

    I don't care if people don't agree with me, I just want to throw my two cents in for whatever it's worth.
    Your pretty positive opinions cuts through all the negative ones. I appreciate it.
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  7. #47
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxCh40s View Post
    It's just exhausting to see how further they've devolved your class based on feedback no one gave, and responses that make no sense based on how the job is played by the community.
    In all honestly, several jobs suffered from this same issue. Who the hell asked for Bard to be a neutered Archer that occasionally sings? Who asked for... well, Monk's iteration period? They seemingly listen to people with less interest in the jobs in the hopes of convincing them to play than those who are already fans to begin with. That has been my biggest complaint towards ShB. They prioritize players not playing the jobs over improving the experience for those who already enjoy them. And then they wonder why the population doesn't increase. The aforementioned Bard is a shining example of that; going from the most popular DPS to fighting with Monk for the least.

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    Sheesh so many negative Nancy’s. I understand the frustrations but let’s have a little hope. Whatever happened to have a little hope and have a little faith?

    I know most of you healer mains have made up your minds considering the devs track record when it comes to healers. I’ll probably be the only one here with a little hope and faith. I give you guys permission to bash me with “I told you so” After September 18th. Please don’t come for me to harshly I beg you all lol.
    Hard to be positive when feedback is routinely ignored for what will be three expansions now. How long did it take them to acknowledge White Mage's problems, which, ironically, weren't entirely fixed by them but FFlogs changing its ranking system? For all the praise WHM gets, it would be instantly shunned were it not for the shift to rDPS. That alone speaks volumes when a third party website they actively dislike puts greater emphasis on player feedback.
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    Last edited by ForteNightshade; 09-01-2021 at 08:17 AM.
    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
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  8. #48
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    Jase Shepard
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    Malboro
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    Crazy how much negativity there is towards healers! I think both WHM and AST are a lot of fun to play. SCH is kinda borked at the moment but I have hope that they'll fix it in the coming expansion.
    AST was pretty bad when ShB first came out, but they listened to feedback (to the extent they could without completely redesigning the card system again) and buffed it to what it is today. WHM was kinda bad in StB but they fixed it in ShB and it's just fine if you ask me. SCH... well at least it's better than what it was at the start of ShB.

    I don't care if people don't agree with me, I just want to throw my two cents in for whatever it's worth.
    This is where I’m at as well. I think all three healers have a generally good ability set, and each just needs some QoL tinkering. For WHM, I’d like to see Lily actions be OGCDs, with an additional damage Lily spender to build up to the Blood Lily. Also, add traits to provide damage support. For example, add a DoT to Asylum to make it similar to Kuribu’s Regen skill, harming enemies inside it while healing allies.

    For SCH, give me ghostless fairy skills or give me death! We need to be able to reliably utilize our skills, and timing is important. Next, an offensive fairy skill would be sweet - perhaps with Seraph we can use our two stacks for either Consolation or “Desolation”, healing allies or damaging enemies as needed.

    AST is the big mystery, as it’s likely removal of Nocturnal Sect will drastically alter its gameplay and identity. I see a major overhaul of this job. I’d rather AST not be a WHM copy with regen-style heals, rather a Time Magic healer with heals occurring when conditions are met (damage taken, timer, etc.) Cards and Divination should feel impactful, but should come at a cost; maybe lower heal/damage potencies. Right now AST does everything a bit too well (and that’s coming from an AST main). Also give us back our time magic. The concept: AST doesn’t bring raw power, but can affect the durational parameters of its buffs to help speed up the battle.
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  9. #49
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Midgardsormr
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I'm fascinated by all the people having fun with WHM. In my view, it needs an entire core redesign. Its core gameplay runs counter to how FFXIV's combat system works; its gauge system encourages goofy backward behavior to get the best results out of it. It has clunk all over the place. The casting flow is like mud compared to any other mage in this game. Even taking all of these core issues into account, its kit evolution is -still- an expansion behind the other two, and it has all these crappy problems on top of it all. I'm increasingly convinced that anyone who actually likes how the lilies work is comparing it to how F-tier the class was in Stormblood, instead of comparing it to a job that has actual good design behind it.

    White Mage is a horribly designed job, change my mind.
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  10. #50
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    Acece Ace
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    Diabolos
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Semirhage View Post
    I'm fascinated by all the people having fun with WHM. In my view, it needs an entire core redesign. Its core gameplay runs counter to how FFXIV's combat system works; its gauge system encourages goofy backward behavior to get the best results out of it. It has clunk all over the place. The casting flow is like mud compared to any other mage in this game. Even taking all of these core issues into account, its kit evolution is -still- an expansion behind the other two, and it has all these crappy problems on top of it all. I'm increasingly convinced that anyone who actually likes how the lilies work is comparing it to how F-tier the class was in Stormblood, instead of comparing it to a job that has actual good design behind it.

    White Mage is a horribly designed job, change my mind.
    I straight up don't get how people can say sch is terrible but say whm is actually good. Whm has just as many as problems sch.
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    Last edited by Acece; 09-01-2021 at 11:08 AM.

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