We should talk about endgame, and the future of this combat.

[Doozer]

And I really don't think anyone needs to bust their ass to complete any content. Even Ultimate. With how little DPS some players seem to do and still clear Ultimate a dozen times, peak efficiency is just a personal preference.

[DPZ2]

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The GCD/oGCD skillset, as well as ping, are already taken into account by the battle designers for this game.

Double weaving may be something you can do, but it is not a requirement of the game design, nor is it particularly noteworthy as a "skill", as your high-end rig and praiseworthy ISP may be the sole reason that you succeed as often you do.

Consider that, unlike WoW, end-game content is designed to be accomplished by both PC users and PS4 console users, working together. On the same servers. Across vastly different networks with differing levels of performance.

[Skiros]

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XIV Alexander. It's a cool raid boss. But it could also be something more.
You're welcome.

[Yeol]

Do you think issues like this will arise, and do you feel this hinders the game?

Not really. I play with 120~130 ping. Yes, high latency has its issues, but it shouldn't stop you from trying your best (As much as your latency allows). You may want to try a gaming VPN like Exitlag, Battleping, Pingzapper, etc..

Some streamers have characters on multiple regions and still manage to clear hard endgame content even with high latency.

[Wavaryen]

Sorry, if my wording was bad. I'm not saying that I want players to double weave, or that I look down on people. Or even if the content requires it.


I'm only speaking for myself, I enjoyed getting better with a guild or linkshell in this game. Like minded people who want to push jobs to the max and keep getting better with each other. I'm not sure why some of you got so offensive about that.
I even had a guy act like I was bragging. Really? I even said at the start I'm not good at it, and trying to get better. I enjoy getting better. Yet, some how that makes it seem like bragging?


The point of the thread was me saying that I don't enjoy ping being a gatekeeper for some players, and makes it harder to get the most out of your class. Even if it is not needed for the content. Some people gave me some answers to try out and I thank you. However, some of you need to chill with that passive aggressive stuff.

[OdinelStarrei]

Sorry, if my wording was bad. I'm not saying that I want players to double weave, or that I look down on people. Or even if the content requires it.


I'm only speaking for myself, I enjoyed getting better with a guild or linkshell in this game. Like minded people who want to push jobs to the max and keep getting better with each other. I'm not sure why some of you got so offensive about that.
I even had a guy act like I was bragging. Really? I even said at the start I'm not good at it, and trying to get better. I enjoy getting better. Yet, some how that makes it seem like bragging?


The point of the thread was me saying that I don't enjoy ping being a gatekeeper for some players, and makes it harder to get the most out of your class. Even if it is not needed for the content. Some people gave me some answers to try out and I thank you. However, some of you need to chill with that passive aggressive stuff.

There's nothing particularly wrong about what you said. What you address in ping and double weaving for certain jobs being a problem for playing those jobs at maximum potential is a legitimate and ongoing concern with the game. NIN changes for example were meant to alleviate the ping disparity, but such things have not been rolled out to all jobs quite yet. The fact that you are willingly going out of your way to think about these problems at all is a good start for promoting a healthy environment for bringing other players in your group up rather than tearing them down for things outside of their control.

Just because you can kill something sub-optimally, does not immediately invalidate the appeal of playing optimally for those who see personal performance as something to be proud of.

I will add my voice to the using a VPN option, I myself use Pingzapper despite being relatively close to the servers, and find it makes a noticeable difference in my gameplay, without going into more "contentious?" options. When it comes to double weaving, certain jobs certainly benefit more from double weaving than others, but that's not equivalent throughout the game. I don't know what you or someone who you might be trying to help is maining, so I can't offer specific advice, but with more details, I'm sure people would be happy to point you in the right direction for some single-weave openers, or alternate solutions to problems. While it may not be optimal, keep in mind that things like GCD uptime, number of usages in a fight, and general comfort with both your job and the fight mechanics make a more significant contribution to your overall performance than the difference between a single-weave and double-weaved opener, despite double-weaving being mathematically, objectively better.

Wanting to improve your own gameplay is admirable, and I think newer players who have a similar mindset of wanting to maximize their personal contribution to the party, will search for the ways to do so, and find them. It's not like we're hiding community resources. Rising tide uplifts all boats. You can lead a horse to water but can't make them drink, you know what I mean? If they are already searching and asking questions, they're doing the drinking part by default.

[ItMe]

So my question is this, With many new players coming to the game, and some might be wanting to get into the end game. Do you think issues like this will arise, and do you feel this hinders the game?

For about two months after I moved, I lived in NA but still played on a JP server (ew).
I was able to do EX content all right and Savaged with some struggle. I was also double weaving.
I think people will be fine.

[Kozh]

The point of the thread was me saying that I don't enjoy ping being a gatekeeper for some players, and makes it harder to get the most out of your class. Even if it is not needed for the content.

And what do you suggest SE do?