Pulling During Cutscene

[Naoki34]

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Ugh. I'm disappointed in myself tonight. Got Toto-Rak in Roulette, with a first-timer. We get to the end boss, and the tank rushes in while the newbie is still in their cutscene. I wanted to wait, and I should have said something. But instead, I caved and went on in, thinking "It's not that big of a deal, they will just join us half-way through."

Nope. Turns out I really underestimated how quickly the boss would die, even with only one DPS. And to top it all off, the tank flippantly remarks to the first-timer at the end: "You can watch cutscenes at the inn." Wow. That is so not the point.

Moral of the story: if any of you care about supporting sprouts and helping them to enjoy their journey through the MSQ, don't be weak like I was tonight. Stand with them. Don't validate and reward selfish behaviour.

Interestingly enough it's actually very possible for CS watcher to die in Toto-rak last boss (though I don't know what exactly triggers their deaths). I remember it was a run when I queued as a healer to help my 2 DPS newcomer who's doing their MSQ playthrough. That tank just facepulled while the two were watching CS from the top of the ledge at boss room entrance. Just when the "Darkness" weather ensues, those two suddenly drops dead while still in CS. This wasn't the first time I witnessed it so I just drop "That's what happen when one doesn't wait for CS." in party chat in hoping to see the tank owning their a$$hat behavior. (spoiler: they didn't. it's one of those muted tanks.)

That occasion upsets both of my newcomer friends.

[Fyrebrand]

We will say, a dps is new. Only the 1 dps. Reach the final boss. Dps is in cut scene, and only the dps. Tank pulls. Healer disagrees because they believe the dps should be able to partipate in the whole fight and the tank should have waited for cutscene to finish. So healer stays behind barrier, and tank dies. What the healer did, CHOOSING not to participate, is reportable.

First of all, you get a bonus for having a newcomer in your Duty Finder group, which you are told is compensation for any and all inconvenience/waiting. You implicitly agree to this compromise any time you enter a roulette, so if you're unwilling to wait for a sprout in cutscenes then it is you who are not abiding by the terms.

Second, the healer is participating. They are simply participating in helping the sprout enjoy their MSQ cutscene, and not in your imagined speed-run that no one agreed to. As someone else already mentioned in this thread, the "MSQ Roulette" now exists and has unskippable cutscenes (even if no one is new) precisely because of people like you. Do you want all dungeon cutscenes to be unskippable from now on? Because you're asking for it.

Third, if one DPS and one healer are waiting for a cutscene, it sounds like at least half the group wants to wait. So, you're certainly not in the majority in insisting that you rush ahead before the group is ready. Heck, the other DPS probably doesn't mind waiting, but is afraid to get kicked if they hurt the tank's delicate feelings. Where do you get off, pretending you decide what is "participating" or not?

people get nasty pushing their self righteousness

I'm sorry, aren't you the one suggesting you'd report people who wait for others to finish their cutscenes? Sounds pretty nasty to me.

[Snorky]

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

So someone's 40th run takes precedence over someone's first time because they have to get a token they got 39 weeks in a row? Wow, as I said before then lengths which people will go to, to make excuses for bad behavior. If you are using the duty roulette you are being compensated with extra tokens having a sprout in your party. That compensation is for allowing them to experience the dungeon in its entirety. I wish they would make all cut scenes unskipable because of these selfish attitudes.

[LaughingBanana]

People don't always want to wait when it comes to their 40th run for many reasons.

You're on your first run, but others have been waiting for days to get their stuff/token of the week, or for others to get the coins from each raid alliance to upgrade stuff. This is even more present now as the limitation is removed.

Sure it's a courtesy, but impatience is a big weight in the balance between waiting or not.

It's only like what, 5 minutes lost maybe total per one raid run for cutscenes? The only cutscene usually only at the end boss of each raid run. I don't think its even 5 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes top. Or even just 1 minute. Like even if you do the raid 10 TIMES to get coins or whatever and EACH of the raids you're doing there are new people (if), it's ONLY 10 MINUTES or at most 20 minutes of waiting!

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait/lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

[kaynide]

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

Hey man! People are in a hurry to get back to derping around the Limsa Aetheryte! This is serious business!
/s

[JadedPurity]

99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

[Snorky]

99% Sure that the OP and the pink haired lalafell that is defending the op is the same person who is trying to create a fake echo chamber and failing miserably at it. Both on faerie. Ones highest class is only level 33 and the others is barely above 50. Its pretty obvious whats going on here. Nothing to see. Move along

I was thinking the same.

[Naoki34]

It's only like what, 5 minutes lost maybe total per one raid run for cutscenes? The only cutscene usually only at the end boss of each raid run. I don't think its even 5 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes top. Or even just 1 minute. Like even if you do the raid 10 TIMES to get coins or whatever and EACH of the raids you're doing there are new people (if), it's ONLY 10 MINUTES or at most 20 minutes of waiting!

Like Holy Shit, is it such a BIG deal to wait/lose 10 minutes of your life as a show of courtesy and empathy to others?

It's too long to wait, I gonna die !

[Ligier]

As a Sprout, i appreciate alot when people wait for me to watch the scene. (Though most of the time i was the tank and that probably helped alot).

The thing some people on this threat doesnt get is, you get the first time experience only once.

Also for people that mistakenly pulls the boss (happend to me once or twice), its not that hard to write in party chat "sorry, pulled the boss by mistake".

Believe it or not, being nice to people and keeping a good attitude during group content will increase your enjoyment of the game.