Pulling During Cutscene

[nebby00]

I really like this game, my only two complaints are impatient players and Black Mage being unable to do much damage when groups want to pull fast. The tanks will get aggro on stuff and run ahead, all I can really do is press Scathe once in a while or wait for an instant proc. I just thought to myself, why am I here? I can't do anything and no one really cares.

BLM earlier on really is difficult to begin to set everything up on until you get used to it. This is what I recommend:

First, you might need to get used to groups pulling fast. It is the norm here unless the tank or healer (or both) is new. Two mob groups typically will be pulled at a time, wait until the tank completely stops to begin casting your aoes. Trust me, you'll feel like you'll be contributing a lot of DPS this way.

Second, always say that it's your first time since most groups will wait if you reach the end and you are in a cutscene. Unfortunately, some people have stated earlier that they see nothing wrong with pulling early but for the most part groups are nice and willing to wait.

I do have a max level character on the Crystal data center so if you do want to run some duties, let me know. I'll be more than happy to help you.

[Hausti]

I'm a new player and I nearly quit the game yesterday due to players behaving this way. I came to this game because I heard the community was better, I have learned that they can be just as selfish and unhelpful as others. They made me feel like I was a burden to their group, they just wanted to pull fast and get everything done as quickly as possible. They didn't care one bit if there was a new player in the group, as a Black Mage I barely even got any casts off because of how they were playing. I couldn't even tell them to slow down because they were pulling so fast and starting cut scenes before I got a chance to say anything, even doing skips that I was unaware of. I was not impressed by this experience, I'm still debating if I should subscribe to this game, if players are going to be so impatient and indifferent then it is not worth it.

Sounds like you did one of the first two lv50 mainstory dungeons: castrum meridianum or praetorium. They are kinda special because everybody just runs through them without stopping. So dont worry.

Also 25 pages already? wow...

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

For trash mobs the reason the tank is running ahead is so you can do something when they hit the wall. Other than ranged physical DPS most people won’t be able to hit the mobs either during the run but when the tank stops you can the. Use your aoe skills to burn down 10 enemies at once instead of 2-3. It’s usually nice if the tank gives a heads up or asks at the start, but tanks are doing it so you have better DPS generally. Half the time the reason the tank is doing it is because they were yelled at not to pull one pack at a time by either DPS or healers beforehand.

It’s partially a rush thing as you say but it’s also partially just that one pack at a time doesn’t require or even really allow people to use their full skill set on their character.

If you’re having trouble keeping up though make sure to let people know you’re new and ask if they can go a little slower. Often we won’t know someone is having an issue unless they say something and we’ll just expect to be flamed if we don’t go fast for trash pulls.

I originally thought they were line of sight pulling and AoEing everything down, problem is almost everything died (or was at low health) before we reached the corner. I basically spent the entire time following them around and doing practically nothing, the melee classes were going to town with almost no downtime. Then we get to a boss where there are lasers going off everywhere and I spend all that time running around being ineffective, (again) by that point I had steam coming out of my ears.

[Umbrix_Darkfire]

Sounds like you did one of the first two lv50 mainstory dungeons: castrum meridianum or praetorium. They are kinda special because everybody just runs through them without stopping. So dont worry.

Also 25 pages already? wow...

I'm not sure, all I know is that it had something to do with an "Ultima Weapon" and lots of lasers.

[Lunalepsy]

I want to preface this by stating that although I am speaking from experience, I am not speaking as the puller, simply as a bystander who has defended pulling during cutscene before.

I don’t understand why this is an issue. I’m sorry, I don’t. And no, I’m not naïve, either. I want to know, though, what you think of it.

As it stands, my thoughts are this:

Pulling during cutscene doesn’t matter. At all. It does not kick the watcher out of cutscene, and it’s not like they miss any important mechanics, either. Because one [1] they’re either going to run the content at hand again, so they will be able to see the mechanic they missed, or two [2] they’re never going to run that content again. So again, why does it matter?

And then you have the “good guys”, let’s call them. The people who will get absolutely vitriolic with you because how dare you be impatient and not wait for the cutscene watcher. It doesn’t matter if you’ve run this content a million times. It doesn’t matter how old it may be. The fact of the matter is you pulled during a cutscene and therefore you are the worst human being alive and deserve to be shunned by the rest of the ~community~.

I’m not even being hyberbolic, here. I have seen people call out pullers by name and try and get everyone else to attack them as well. But it’s okay, because these people are the heroes and the puller is the villain! Pay no mind to the harassment and threats they are dishing out because they’re doing it to “defend” a new person. I have seen people call pullers “toxic trash”, spewing expletives about how awful a person they are, trying to rally the other members of the alliance to blacklist and report. Like, hello? How is that okay? You may not agree with pulling during cutscene, but to verbally attack someone who does is not and never will be okay.

I have mentioned before that not everyone has all the time in the world to wait for everyone to watch every cutscene. And in response, I had people telling me that “if [my] time is so important, maybe [I] shouldn’t play.” Or, here’s a thought, because my free time is so limited, I want to actually, y’know... enjoy it?

The argument is always along the lines of pulling during cutscene “ruins” players experiences. Well, on the other side of that, maybe waiting for cutscene for every single piece of content, and getting reemed out by the general public if you don’t conform also ruins players’ experiences. Is it not hypocritical to become the toxic person you’re claiming the puller to be? How does that make you the hero?

This is my first forum post. But I am not stranger to the forums, I do expect to be attacked by these same “good guys” I’m talking about. But I would like to hear your thoughts.

Welcome to the forums! Enjoy your stay.

[Trobon]

I'm not sure, all I know is that it had something to do with an "Ultima Weapon" and lots of lasers.

Okay, yeah. Those two dungeons are legitimately the worst experiences you will ever have as a new player. There’s nothing else like them in the game. They are farmed by high level players in gear that is way overturned because the sync function really doesn’t work well for those ones. No other dungeon will compare to that experience.

[Hausti]

I'm not sure, all I know is that it had something to do with an "Ultima Weapon" and lots of lasers.

Yeah that was the praetorium. Like i said those 2 dungeons are special because too many cutscenes. It gets better after that.

[Goji1639]

Players have the option to automatically skip cutscenes, many times it's completely on accident to pull early; it's not necessarily intentional, it's general routine. It's very easy to miss someone is still in a cutscene, and for that matter, I'm pretty sure there is a way to actually watch them after the fact. More often than not players aren't watching cutscenes, and if a player is watching a cutscene, they can still participate after it (in most cases). Choosing not to participate, is, however, intentional, and stating such is seemingly actionable.

Someone who pulls during a cutscene can say it was an accident, but so can someone who doesn't follow the tank into the boss room. I know a lot of times when I see a cutscene rolling, especially if I know it's a long one, I'll tune out for a little bit; maybe pop up my browser or turn my attention to my television. More often than not everyone lets new players watch cutscenes, so I'm not wrong to assume an active cutscene means downtime.

End of the day intentionally pulling during a cutscene is clear intent to disrupt the party. Waiting for a new player isn't clear intent to disrupt the party.

[TroySoFab]

Someone who pulls during a cutscene can say it was an accident, but so can someone who doesn't follow the tank into the boss room. I know a lot of times when I see a cutscene rolling, especially if I know it's a long one, I'll tune out for a little bit; maybe pop up my browser or turn my attention to my television. More often than not everyone lets new players watch cutscenes, so I'm not wrong to assume an active cutscene means downtime.

Actually they are not both accidents. Standing outside the boss room for a prolonged period of time isn't an accident, it is something you are actively doing (or in this case not doing). Which can be vote kicked for being AFK. If I'm a tank, I'm not usually focused on the party list, so I can easily miss someone being listed as "viewing cutscene". And in an alliance raid, I have no real way of seeing if someone in the other two parties is in a cutscene.

End of the day intentionally pulling during a cutscene is clear intent to disrupt the party. Waiting for a new player isn't clear intent to disrupt the party.

Except its not. Its a way to advance the party through the fight. It disrupts no one. I don't think there is anything wrong if the party wants to wait, but ultimately pulling the boss is up to the tank (or tanks) discretion.

[Kolaina]

However if you pull early and admit to it then you have the intent to report them under 3.2. Since this whole thread started with OP saying they defend people who purposely pull early because their time is more important than other players’ being able to watch the cutscenes 3.2 seems to apply here. Again, the key seems to be none of us should ever talk to another player because anything we say can and will be used against us.

Nice straw man. Op didn’t start this thread saying they defend the pullers. They started it because the supposed good guys respond with vitriolic behaviour.