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    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    How so? I disagree.

    He's one of the best looking male characters in the game. He also has very interesting ties to the Buduga.

    Furthermore, he's unapologetic about doing what he sees as best for his people - even fully embracing moral greyness such as choosing to flood Doma castle and strongarm the Xaela into joining a fight that did not concern them in the slightest. His callousness towards Yotsuyu's plight is also refreshing since so many of the leader figures in this game love to pretend to care about all manner of issues when it benefits their cause only to completely neglect/ignore them whenever it isn't beneficial.
    because his existence sidelined yugiri and gosetsu into a background role, who were leading and helping domans escape while hien was sitting on his butt in the steppe, for which he claims that we won the tournament when it was in fact us, and us alone, and yet he's the one that's treated as if he had won it
    also, letting yotsuyu, an amnesic pow, roam around without supervision so that she can run away to summon a primal and yet, he gets no blame for that despite it being his fault (meanwhile, lyse gets a lot of hate for a very similar thing, despite the fact she had no way of knowing the guards were enthralled and aiding the rogue snakewomen, that's on her for trying to be diplomatic, right?)
    there are various other things that completely put me off the character that I can't remember right now, but those two are the major ones

    I don't care if he's good looking and has a well spoken voice actor because that doesn't make or break a character for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    because his existence sidelined yugiri and gosetsu into a background role, who were leading and helping domans escape while hien was sitting on his butt in the steppe, for which he claims that we won the tournament when it was in fact us, and us alone, and yet he's the one that's treated as if he had won it
    also, letting yotsuyu, an amnesic pow, roam around without supervision so that she can run away to summon a primal and yet, he gets no blame for that despite it being his fault (meanwhile, lyse gets a lot of hate for a very similar thing, despite the fact she had no way of knowing the guards were enthralled and aiding the rogue snakewomen, that's on her for trying to be diplomatic, right?)
    there are various other things that completely put me off the character that I can't remember right now, but those two are the major ones

    I don't care if he's good looking and has a well spoken voice actor because that doesn't make or break a character for me
    He's also quite one dimensional.
    If we want to declare my trash Zenos as being one dimensional chaotic then Hien is the one dimensional good boi.
    He's very much forgettable. Like sure, he's got that aesthetic going on, but other than that he's boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusOnline View Post
    If we want to declare my trash Zenos as being one dimensional chaotic then Hien is the one dimensional good boi.
    I'd argue that Hien isn't one dimensional, though. Especially when compared to Zenos. Imagine, for a moment, that it was Yotsuyu rather than Hien who decided to flood Doma Castle and sent the invading Doman forces to a grim and watery grave crushed beneath debris? The narrative would be that such an act is 'unforgivable', especially with how cruel a death drowning happens to be. Yet in reality, it is Hien who embraces such a plan in order to minimise losses where his people are concerned. In addition to that, he effectively drags the Xaela into a war that does not concern them so that his people are exposed to less danger as a consequence. He hides a tactical, opportunistic and somewhat sinister mind behind all the charm. Then, of course, there's the way in which he simply wanted to brush the issue of Yotsuyu under the rug as an inconvenience.

    He was never really presented as a perfect hero whose every decision was perfect and without consequence. Which makes him inherently more intriguing and interesting than most of the other City State leaders who bend over backwards to apologise for their supposed sins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'd argue that Hien isn't one dimensional, though. Especially when compared to Zenos. Imagine, for a moment, that it was Yotsuyu rather than Hien who decided to flood Doma Castle and sent the invading Doman forces to a grim and watery grave crushed beneath debris? The narrative would be that such an act is 'unforgivable', especially with how cruel a death drowning happens to be. Yet in reality, it is Hien who embraces such a plan in order to minimise losses where his people are concerned. In addition to that, he effectively drags the Xaela into a war that does not concern them so that his people are exposed to less danger as a consequence. He hides a tactical, opportunistic and somewhat sinister mind behind all the charm. Then, of course, there's the way in which he simply wanted to brush the issue of Yotsuyu under the rug as an inconvenience.

    He was never really presented as a perfect hero whose every decision was perfect and without consequence. Which makes him inherently more intriguing and interesting than most of the other City State leaders who bend over backwards to apologise for their supposed sins.
    If anything, that makes him far less one-dimensional than some of the other "good" guys. As far as the city state leaders go, he is by far the most interesting, IMO.
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    Current writer of this game becouse this is not an adventure since HW. Its soap opera for weebs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'd argue that Hien isn't one dimensional, though. Especially when compared to Zenos. Imagine, for a moment, that it was Yotsuyu rather than Hien who decided to flood Doma Castle and sent the invading Doman forces to a grim and watery grave crushed beneath debris? The narrative would be that such an act is 'unforgivable', especially with how cruel a death drowning happens to be. Yet in reality, it is Hien who embraces such a plan in order to minimise losses where his people are concerned. In addition to that, he effectively drags the Xaela into a war that does not concern them so that his people are exposed to less danger as a consequence. He hides a tactical, opportunistic and somewhat sinister mind behind all the charm. Then, of course, there's the way in which he simply wanted to brush the issue of Yotsuyu under the rug as an inconvenience.

    He was never really presented as a perfect hero whose every decision was perfect and without consequence. Which makes him inherently more intriguing and interesting than most of the other City State leaders who bend over backwards to apologise for their supposed sins.
    It's unfortunate, but I don't have a good rebuttal. It's one of those feelings one simply has about a character.
    Some you simply don't connect with.
    The things you listed are simply what a leader *would* do as well. For the greater good of their people, leaders do what they must, even if there is inherent evil in their actions. Still, in my eyes it was predictable and less because of his personality or character that these conclusions were made but as I say before for the good of his own people. It would have been intriguing for him to do it out of curiosity's sake of what would happen if hmm I pressed this button.

    That said, we can agree on Graha Tia.
    He is SEs attempt to a male Yshtola I can only imagine.
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