Upcoming wipe/drama fest 8/13/2021

[InkB]

If buff timers didn't make it easier you wouldn't need to use them. These guys apparently need to use them.

There is difference between "min maxing for good damage" that they are going for and other extreme of "slogging thro E10S and almost hitting enrage" PF parties. Do you need to know buff timers in XIV? No because everything is 60/120/160s cooldown and generally people are set on their rotation to always have it up proper.

Do you want to? Sure I mean, why not.

This could be either "we arent sure is this needed" thing or just how they want to raid. Its not hurting anyone. Its not like they are doing world first here. Contents already done and beaten. Plus if they said they go in blind, all power to them.

By the time next raid tier comes along they probably wont "need cooldown timers" (and those break on first week/days of raid anyway)

[Liam_Harper]

If buff timers didn't make it easier you wouldn't need to use them. These guys apparently need to use them.

Remember these aren't veteran FF raiders, they're veteran "crutched by weakauras and boss mods Blizzard expects you to have".

Default UI gives you all the information you need here.

I like comments like these, that usually come from someone who's barely dabbled in endgame content, yet is expert enough at the game to label people with clears of the hardest content as being carried by crutches.

Good players like having tools for optimal performance. It pushes their already high ability even further and they enjoy trying to reach their peak. That's why UI's can be resized and moved around, why you have hotkeys, MMO mice, better computers, all the rest of it. Sure, FF14 is intended to be played even on a potato with an office mouse and no settings tweaked, but doing so doesn't make you a superior gamer.

I can guarantee you 100% that if you forced any of the top world raiders to play on default UI with no addons in min-ilv blind content, they would run rings around any forum poster who claims they were carried by addons. Effortlessly. Not even slightly close.

[Wolfsbane706]

I like comments like these, that usually come from someone who's barely dabbled in endgame content, yet is expert enough at the game to label people with clears of the hardest content as being carried by crutches.

Good players like having tools for optimal performance. It pushes their already high ability even further and they enjoy trying to reach their peak. That's why UI's can be resized and moved around, why you have hotkeys, MMO mice, better computers, all the rest of it. Sure, FF14 is intended to be played even on a potato with an office mouse and no settings tweaked, but doing so doesn't make you a superior gamer.

I can guarantee you 100% that if you forced any of the top world raiders to play on default UI with no addons in min-ilv blind content, they would run rings around any forum poster who claims they were carried by addons. Effortlessly. Not even slightly close.

Aren't there also some top-end raiders who play exclusively on console as well?

[AtlasS]

Naguura boosted? Shocker, all she did in WoW to.

[Ranaku]

Why the heck is OP so obsessed with streamers etc., feels like every two days there is a new thread about some streamer doing some stuff from him.

At this point you should consider becoming a news youtuber or something, there you can blast this hollow content into the digital void.

[Floortank]

I don't see the drama in any of the shit you listed.

Good luck to them, hope they enjoy it.

[Barristan]

Who? Honestly, at this point, whatever they want to try and accomplish is fine, this isn't a pissing contest between the two games. However, if they muck it up and trash the game with baseless accusations and outright lies, then I would think the community will wash their hands of it.

[Rilifane]

If buff timers didn't make it easier you wouldn't need to use them. These guys apparently need to use them.

Remember these aren't veteran FF raiders, they're veteran "crutched by weakauras and boss mods Blizzard expects you to have".

Default UI gives you all the information you need here. In WoW it really doesn't.

And triggers exist.

Ah, yes. The good old "If you use anything but standard UI, you're getting carried by [insert whatever addon they're using]" post.

These guys have next to no FFXIV raid experience and cleared e1s at min ilvl and without Echo within 6hours BLIND. That's freaking amazing. And they came up with strategies like the circle bait and invuln cheese during meteors, a strat that may go against the uptime mindset of FFXIV raiders but is the most fail safe strat there is. On their first day. BLIND.
That's sick.
But I'm guessing it's nothing for someone as experienced as you, right?

Seeing when Addle or Embolden is up doesn't suddenly tell them everything there is to know about the boss. Triggers exist but they didn't use them. Had you watched the stream you'd know that but I suppose it's easier to just assume they did.
These guys would run circles around all the self-proclaimed forum heroes even on poor hardware and without any UI adjustments. The reason highly skilled raiders tend to use addons that give additional info is not because they need crutches but because they want any information they can get. It means they have even more information to process and take into consideration when making decisions. They always aim to do more even if it's just delaying their Trick Attack for another GCD because they saw that the DNC doesn't have Tech ready right this second.
Tracking other peoples timers was common among top tier raiders in WoW. It was everyones own responsibility to constantly keep an eye an all the cooldowns of the whole raid. Is it neccessary here? No. But it prevents "X ready in Y seconds" spam in voice for highend fine tuning.
Half the raiders can't even focus on their own rotation without dying to every other mechanic, how many would actually be able to constantly keep an eye on additional info I wonder...

Aren't there also some top-end raiders who play exclusively on console as well?

Some of them are on console, others use fairly standard hardware without any additional buttons etc. and click a few things.
And they perform absolutely incredibly. A good player is a good player.

[Skiros]

lmao

ITT: people thinking clearing e1s / e2s within 6 hours is an accomplishment when literally even some midcore/casual statics cleared it in 2 hours blind on day 1 without even getting close to enrage and without full crafted gear

KEK

[van_arn]

They seem to be having a blast, and that's all that matters.