Upcoming wipe/drama fest 8/13/2021

[Jojoya]

I just consider them incredibly hypocritical.

"We want to do it blind and suffer" while at the same time modifying their games in ways that make it easier to do the content.

Lol.

Good point, though honestly Blizzard can be blamed for that. By Wrath, they were designing WoW raid content (and most of the rest of the game to a lesser degree) around the assumption that players would be using add-ons.

Those players aren't used to this game, which is designed to be played without the use of add-ons.

[Vonleo]

I don't care what these guys do but be warned there will be some petty people in there stream reporting them for third party use in game and on twitch if they are streaming it. I believe twitch also has rules against breaking TOS on the game you are playing or something. I hope they have fun though and people leave them alone to just enjoy the raids.

[Snorky]

So what is the add on that announces people's deaths being used by healers or is it a macro? That says don't you dare die (insert player name)?
It's really annoying seeing it in party chat when you are trying to watch it for any information concerning a fight.

Hopefully the third party DPS monitors won't start beating people over the head with third party information. Seeing as how that is harassment and against TOS. Edited for clarification.

[Kes13a]

So what is the add on that announces people's deaths being used by healers or is it a macro? That says don't you dare die (insert player name)?
It's really annoying seeing it in party chat when you are trying to watch it for any information concerning a fight. Hopefully they won't start beating people over the head with third party information. Seeing as how that is harassment and against TOS.

typically that is a macro created by the healer so that another healer doesnt rez the same person, thus blowing a cd

I am terribly sorry that healers letting other healers know something is really annoying and you consider healers doing their job... harassment

[Snorky]

typically that is a macro created by the healer so that another healer doesnt rez the same person, thus blowing a cd

I am terribly sorry that healers letting other healers know something is really annoying and you consider healers doing their job... harassment

I never said that, I said it was annoying to have it pop up in chat. Way to take what someone says to extremes. And I should clarify the harassment comment was in people using third party programs to berate people about damage done. I should edit that. I'm terrible about not finishing a thought out sorry.

[Puremallace]

I don't care what these guys do but be warned there will be some petty people in there stream reporting them for third party use in game and on twitch if they are streaming it. I believe twitch also has rules against breaking TOS on the game you are playing or something. I hope they have fun though and people leave them alone to just enjoy the raids.

I really find this silly. Only way they would get banned is if the 3rd party app is interfering with the Client. The UI plugins they are using is really close on that grey line but I think these function more as overlays vs interacting with the actual game client. ACT on the other hand the line has been clearly defined by Yoshi P himself so they are fine there.

What those guys really want is things like WeakAuras and DBM so they can have counters. This would be a PR nightmare if they did issue the bans though based on a bunch of reports that have no grounding and some are being issued because they choose to play the MMO differently. I created this post to give Square Enix a heads up of the mess that was coming with reports. It was pretty obvious.

[InkB]

Fun fact

Lot of people use dps meters, you might have been in duty with 7-23 people using them. And they didnt get "toxic" to you. Even more so, lot of people are using said "mods" mentioned in OP. And none of them started drama.

Addon or meters wont make you toxic, people are toxic if they so choose.

[ForteNightshade]

I just consider them incredibly hypocritical.

"We want to do it blind and suffer" while at the same time modifying their games in ways that make it easier to do the content.

Lol.

... what? Their add ons don't make any of the content easier. Being able to see other players' buff timers isn't going to make E4S or E8S easier, especially when you consider any veteran static will already know all this to begin with. They aren't using triggers to actually call mechanics.

If you're referring to ACT. Well, welcome to the entire raid community in this game. Practically everyone uses them, including several streamers. They just don't happen to all show you they have them up.

I don't care what these guys do but be warned there will be some petty people in there stream reporting them for third party use in game and on twitch if they are streaming it. I believe twitch also has rules against breaking TOS on the game you are playing or something. I hope they have fun though and people leave them alone to just enjoy the raids.

This is nonsense. Yoshida and the dev team have outright said they watch Savage and Ultimate prog where players visually show their parsers. So long as you don't mention it in game, they pretty much don't care.

[Imora]

I really find this silly. Only way they would get banned is if the 3rd party app is interfering with the Client. The UI plugins they are using is really close on that grey line but I think these function more as overlays vs interacting with the actual game client. ACT on the other hand the line has been clearly defined by Yoshi P himself so they are fine there.

What those guys really want is things like WeakAuras and DBM so they can have counters. This would be a PR nightmare if they did issue the bans though based on a bunch of reports that have no grounding and some are being issued because they choose to play the MMO differently. I created this post to give Square Enix a heads up of the mess that was coming with reports. It was pretty obvious.

Timers are quite possible if you know ability timings as everything seems to be heavily scripted. There had been ability callouts and targets ("prey on <name>") since at least HW. Not entirely sure it's still around though.

[Imora]

... what? Their add ons don't make any of the content easier. Being able to see other players' buff timers isn't going to make E4S or E8S easier, especially when you consider any veteran static will already know all this to begin with. They aren't using triggers to actually call mechanics.

If you're referring to ACT. Well, welcome to the entire raid community in this game. Practically everyone uses them, including several streamers. They just don't happen to all show you they have them up.



This is nonsense. Yoshida and the dev team have outright said they watch Savage and Ultimate prog where players visually show their parsers. So long as you don't mention it in game, they pretty much don't care.

If buff timers didn't make it easier you wouldn't need to use them. These guys apparently need to use them.

Remember these aren't veteran FF raiders, they're veteran "crutched by weakauras and boss mods Blizzard expects you to have".

Default UI gives you all the information you need here. In WoW it really doesn't.

And triggers exist.