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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Gonna ignore the delusional spammer guy above you. But yeah, it sounded like you meant only those few hundred people who get the reward, have to just accept it that it's for the greater good to get rid of exclusivity, but I think its a lot more people that are interested in it not being devalued and a lot more than those few hundred are actively participating for it. Some people suffer/work a lot to get good at it to get it, and they would feel strongly against it.

    Yeah Feast gets removed at least temporarily and they announced they will change the reward structure. Even many PvP players don't like the current system, but doesn't mean they want to see it trivialized completely, how some are demanding it because they missed out to play PvP.



    I think you are giving others too much credit that they care about value one way or another. What I would agree on is SE said those specific items were exclusive. Players do like to hold SE to their word. Legacy players got an exclusive gobbue mount though that was adjusted and released for the masses. No one seemed to care, that I remember.



    I think SE has a tough decision. PvPers want to look exclusive, but a chunk of the player base doesn't like exclusivity. The best I can come up with is they ad some sort of ultimate. So PvPers can argue go earn it, but hard enough that PvPers still feel that they are as unique as the people who clear ultimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlite View Post
    they are as unique as the people who clear ultimates.
    Which can be purchased with gil or irl money you say?
    They will never be the same unless Ultimates had the same philosophy of exclusivity behind as PvP does. Only the first 80 players (first 10 parties) get to have the rewards of Ultimate, then is closed forever.

    That would work wonders i imagine.


    And the "exclusivity" of Legacy rewards and Feast rewards are completely different topics, not even comparable really.

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    The only solution for PvP is to remove the exclusivity through timegating. No matter what they come up with. Unless they really belive they can compete through "balance and mechanics" alone against other PvP games - Like intending this game have a pvp worth of being an e-sport... Oh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Which can be purchased with gil or irl money you say?
    They will never be the same unless Ultimates had the same philosophy of exclusivity behind as PvP does. Only the first 80 players (first 10 parties) get to have the rewards of Ultimate, then is closed forever.



    You missed the point. The point was to allow an unlimited amount of players to be able to earn rewards like ultimate's. But hard enough like ultimate's they still feel special. People who cheat aren't open for discussion, they are outside of the scope of the game. But they will have to come up with some system that tries to accommodate your side and the other side as well.



    Also you probably don't have to worry about time gating rewards. Feast is going away, which probably means the top 100 rewards with it. It has not fostered growth or a healthy community interaction between PvP and PvE player base, nor become an e-sport. The current system is not inline with a current percentage of MMO players. I am not sure what SE thought would happen.
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