PVP REWARDS SUGGESTION (FEAST)

[Zordrage]

Part of the reason I play pvp is for the exclusive rewards. If any Joe Bob can get the rewards by farming the wolf marks then I see no point. I worked for those rewards, even a recolor would be slap in the face, and I'm not going to complain about not getting something like the season 1 coat because I wasn't around.

It wouldn't hurt anyone not to get those rewards, but it would hurt all those that worked for them if they get re-released.

FFXIV needs some content that is exclusive and hard to get and not just from doing something mindless like hunts/crafting/primal farming for 50 hours.

There are MANY rewards in game that is Hard to get and not just a mindless casual farming as you say it yet its not limited exclusive. Hard to get =/= Exclusive,limited.

Also those exclusives DOES hurt everyone that cant get it and Cant work towards it because it got removed when for them they are one of the best looking stuff in the game..
For example the season 19 armor set... like are you kidding me ? How many people got pissed ? ALLOT.

[Zordrage]

Set Up a new system it does NOT need to be easy it can be hard VERY hard and take allot of time but make it possible to work for it whenever you want instead of removing the rewards and showing the middle finger to all current and future players...

[Garten]

What i find stupid Is that top 100 Encourage grinding, even if "wanting a grind" Is what Is criticized of Op and others. For example if i do 100 matches with a 75% win rate, i Will probably have less points than One Person that does 300 matches with a 50% win rate (i am not sure about calculation but i think you can get my point), so a worse player can rank higher than a Better One. Of FEAST want ti be Fair, Every player should have only a limited max Number of matches that he can do EACH season (100, 200.. dunno). And maybe a chance to redo all of them from scratch if not satisfied. Even "I" was told on One pvp pro linkshell : top 100 Is not hard you Just have to milk It. What if for wathever reason i don't have the time for 100000000 matches? Lol. Just make, ad i said, a limited Number you can do and gg

[Commander_Justitia]

Set Up a new system it does NOT need to be easy it can be hard VERY hard and take allot of time but make it possible to work for it whenever you want
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Im always was against Limited exclusive stuff in games

Content should never be removed... The only thing the current system does is pissing off players.

You certainly don't want a system in PvP that "takes a lot of time", you should just be good enough at it to meet certain rating/tier threshold to claim the reward during a season.

One armor set out of 1000s is not really wasted content, the game is big enough to have a very small selection of items that are supposed to be "rare" and stay rare. It doesn't make the game bad. And it really shouldn't make you so angry, it is just PvP and not PvE. It is supposed to be a competition where not everyone can win everything by design

[Commander_Justitia]

What i find stupid Is that top 100 Encourage grinding, even if "wanting a grind" Is what Is criticized of Op and others. For example if i do 100 matches with a 75% win rate, i Will probably have less points than One Person that does 300 matches with a 50% win rate (i am not sure about calculation but i think you can get my point), so a worse player can rank higher than a Better One. Of FEAST want ti be Fair, Every player should have only a limited max Number of matches that he can do EACH season (100, 200.. dunno). And maybe a chance to redo all of them from scratch if not satisfied. Even "I" was told on One pvp pro linkshell : top 100 Is not hard you Just have to milk It. What if for wathever reason i don't have the time for 100000000 matches? Lol. Just make, ad i said, a limited Number you can do and gg

It is true, some players are very "dedicated" and play around or above 1000 matches per season, and if the sun shines on them the right moment, they will get a lucky day and climb to get a new high peak that might be enough for top100. Even with an abysmal winrate.

Ultimately it would be more efficient if they would have better learning material, but SE barely delivered a way to teach PvP modes outside of the webpages which are not really complete either. There is no tutorial arena ingame or more interactive striking dummies that move or hit you back. So you need to reach out to other people in discords or learn it by watching others..

Really good players will get top100 under 100 matches, the average is probably around 200-400, depending on season length. I think its fair to grind to top100 though, the system you propose has a big flaw, towards the end of the season it is usually easier to climb because most other people will have higher rating, due to the nature of the rating system. So if you would be smart, you wouldn't play your last 100 matches before the end, so it is abuseable.

The longer you stay in diamond+ rating, the lower your winrate will get most likely. So if you spend 300 matches in diamond, after your first 100 matches in unranked-platinum, your winrate will drop from 75%->50% - while you still go positive.

Most of this will probably be scrapped in 6.x so it is not really worth debating much anymore.

[PotatoTree]

There are MANY rewards in game that is Hard to get and not just a mindless casual farming as you say it yet its not limited exclusive. Hard to get =/= Exclusive,limited.

Also those exclusives DOES hurt everyone that cant get it and Cant work towards it because it got removed when for them they are one of the best looking stuff in the game..
For example the season 19 armor set... like are you kidding me ? How many people got pissed ? ALLOT.

It's easy for you to say that it doesn't hurt or whatever considering you haven't spent hundreds of hours working for pvp rewards already. How will SE refund my time spent?

[PotatoTree]

trying feverishly to imagine an alternate universe in which this was the case for PvE and people were locked out of obtaining EX/savage mounts after the tier unlocked, and we have ten billion threads asking for the old mounts only to be told by raiders that it wouldn't be fair to the people that did them on content if you could go in with higher item levels and unsync and just burn them, and that they'd quit the game if they saw someone that joined in ShB riding the gobwalker lol

It would probably be acceptable if SE did this from day 1, but right now everyone is used to a more casual approach so there would be backlash.

I'd be ok for something unique for the first top 100 ultimate clears for example. I'd never be able to get it, but it would be cool to see a player with it and you can immediately know they are the best. Right now in ffxiv everyone can get almost everything, nobody really stands out.

[Moonlite]

It would probably be acceptable if SE did this from day 1, but right now everyone is used to a more casual approach so there would be backlash.

I'd be ok for something unique for the first top 100 ultimate clears for example. I'd never be able to get it, but it would be cool to see a player with it and you can immediately know they are the best. Right now in ffxiv everyone can get almost everything, nobody really stands out.

Not specifically you. But the exclusive mindset vs the general population of the player base is probably why feast will end. The game is designed so everyone can get every thing. It is pretty well its thing. You are probably right about the backlash, but what are we talking a couple hundred players considering alts. Feast rewards don't even make 1% of players. Again probably a good reason feast will die, because they aren't locked into the old exclusive rewards. It would be bad faith to give old rewards away. Not so sure about slight redesigns. They literally took PvE mount coloured it and said pay me. So they aren't exactly spotless.

[ForteNightshade]

Why is exclusivity bad?

If top100 makes the mode so dead, maybe it should be top30 then so people keep competing and the mode stays alive, if I follow you correctly?
Maybe top100 was just the right limit, especially in the past, to ensure even players who are not that dedicated still get the reward.

I can speak only for myself but I've always found it silly. My experiences and enjoyment isn't measured by whether I have something other people can't obtain. I have several exclusive things on my main account and couldn't care less if they were made available to the masses. Within reason, of course. I wouldn't like if they took something and gifted it out in a log in campaign or something equally involving no effort.

Having a limit was never the right course of action, especially in a game where every other piece of content makes its rewards readily available years after its relevancy. That lack of consistency is why people have routinely been so upset over PvP getting exclusive timed rewards. That, and it being blatantly obvious they only did so in a desperate plea to get people into Feast. The whole "carrot on a stick" philosophy. The fact Feast numbers are among the lowest in the games entire history for any piece of content speaks to how much this approach simply didn't work. I also find it a little disingenuous people will fight in favor of exclusive rewards when there is no rank decry. Literally every competitive PvP game has this to prevent people sitting on their rank... except this one. Which is another reason why queues completely die within 2-3 weeks. But that's another argument.

[PotatoTree]

My experiences and enjoyment isn't measured by whether I have something other people can't obtain.

I feel like my opinion would be equally valid in this regard, and it would be the complete opposite to yours. If everyone wins then it is not fun. As crass as it sounds, it's not only about winning, it's about making others lose. My enjoyment is not only from getting something exclusive, but also in preventing someone else from getting it. That is part of the fun in a truly competitive mode, and if you're going to make ranked pvp than what use are ranks if there are no losers?

And I completely get that this playstyle is not for everyone. Which is why IMO if people don't like it just ignore it and ignore those rewards. I'm not going to whine that I can't get the big fishing title because I find fishing boring, or whine about not having the Necromancer title because I can't solo potd. Just ignore the content you can't do, this game has a wide variety of content and not everyone can do everything.

That lack of consistency is why people have routinely been so upset over PvP getting exclusive timed rewards.

And making promised exclusive timed rewards available would be breaking consistency. If they promised it was exclusive, they should keep their word. If they decide to change it up sure, that can be for new rewards, but leave the old ones as they were.

I also find it a little disingenuous people will fight in favor of exclusive rewards when there is no rank decry. Literally every competitive PvP game has this to prevent people sitting on their rank... except this one. Which is another reason why queues completely die within 2-3 weeks. But that's another argument.

Rank decay will not solve a single thing. Plat/dia players still play even when their top 100 spot is guaranteed, and they won't be paired with lower ranks. Late in the season all the lower ranked players already gave up, which is why queue dies for unranked. Rank decay is not going to decay some plat/dia all the way to unranked. If you're thinking of a constant rate decay, that will just hurt sub 50% wr players. If you're thinking of a decay for every day or week you don't play, people will easily dodge that by just queuing a single game a day.

If you do want to solve this through decay, just have shorter more frequent seasons. Every new season is technically a decay, halving everyone's points.