Yotsuyu, the irredeemable monster

[Shuuchi]

Actually I believe you have those the wrong way around.

I literately took it off google, friend.
Sympathizers is simply yet another word the English language butchered, lmao.

[Shuuchi]

Her entire village knew what was going on. Punishing the people directly responsible is one thing but you can't say if the whole town knew and did nothing that they aren't to blame too. Nobody stood up for this women and everyone knew what was happening to her. No one is throwing the whole country in jail but their inaction led to her becoming the way she was. Only one person did try and it wasn't Gosetsu.

You seem conflicted.
Inaction is a crime but not worthy of punishment?
Am I interpreting that correctly?

If you see a robbery in progress but did not stop it, does that make you guilty by association?

[Shuuchi]

In many ways her story is not all that different from that of Emet and Elidibus,

“Petty.”
That is what Zenos called Yotsuyu.

Her drive is nowhere near Emet or Eli, nor anywhere near justifiable in comparison.

[MilkieTea]

I literately took it off google, friend.
Sympathizers is simply yet another word the English language butchered, lmao.

The difference in meaning is usually explained with some variation of the following: sympathy is when you share the feelings of another; empathy is when you understand the feelings of another but do not necessarily share them.

Sympathy is sharing (Sym-pathos) Whereas Empathy is understanding (Em-pathos) emotions.

[thegreatonemal]

You seem conflicted.
Inaction is a crime but not worthy of punishment?
Am I interpreting that correctly?

If you see a robbery in progress but did not stop it, does that make you guilty by association?

No, you just don't understand the cultural lesson the story is conveying here. But to use your flawed example If I see a crime and I have the power and ability to stop it and don't I'm not gonna go to jail but if somebody dies during that crime some people are gonna be mad at me for not jumping in and helping. Might have been able to save somebody.

No one needed super powers to tell her step parents to go to hell or report them for abusing that child. Hell the entire village shaming them or if that one Garlen solider had come back and made good on his threat would have been enough. The guy who became her pimp could of said "I'm not letting you use her to repay your debts she clearly not cut out for this life." Or he could of taken her in and not pimped her out just getting her away from her clearly abusive parents. But he said "Look how hot she is I can't NOT let my clients run a train on her."

Her abuse of the Doman people is simply payback in the same manner she was treated. They all have to look at each other as they go through all the crap she puts them through. Them begging for help from their neighbors as their on the ground suffer and have to watch as those same friends and family ignore them in their hour of need. Yea of course if they actually tried to help they'd get punished or killed but that's not the point for her.

[Shuuchi]

The difference in meaning is usually explained with some variation of the following: sympathy is when you share the feelings of another; empathy is when you understand the feelings of another but do not necessarily share them.

Sympathy is sharing (Sym-pathos) Whereas Empathy is understanding (Em-pathos) emotions.

I see. That makes sense.
Seems the hipsters using the words incorrectly muddled the line between the actual definitions.

At least I can fall back on the fact that I’m an ESL, heh.

[Shuuchi]

No, you just don't understand the cultural lesson the story is conveying here. But to use your flawed example If I see a crime and I have the power and ability to stop it and don't I'm not gonna go to jail but if somebody dies during that crime some people are gonna be mad at me for not jumping in and helping. Might have been able to save somebody.

No one needed super powers to tell her step parents to go to hell or report them for abusing that child. Hell the entire village shaming them or if that one Garlen solider had come back and made good on his threat would have been enough. The guy who became her pimp could of said "I'm not letting you use her to repay your debts she clearly not cut out for this life." Or he could of taken her in and not pimped her out just getting her away from her clearly abusive parents. But he said "Look how hot she is I can't NOT let my clients run a train on her."

Her abuse of the Doman people is simply payback in the same manner she was treated. They all have to look at each other as they go through all the crap she puts them through. Them begging for help from their neighbors as their on the ground suffer and have to watch as those same friends and family ignore them in their hour of need. Yea of course if they actually tried to help they'd get punished or killed but that's not the point for her.

Once again, you seem conflicted.
First you say the Domans had the power to help Yotsuyu, but at the end you said they don’t.

Firstly, report abuse? To who, the Garleans?
You are demanding a lot out of a people living under brutal occupation.
And the soldier is exactly that - a soldier. He can’t be expected to stand guard over Yotsuyu 24/7.

Secondly, why would a pimp/mama care who works in the brothel?
In the world of the downtrodden, it’s eat or be eaten.
You are applying standards from those with means to those without.

The Domans were all individually suffering under their own circumstances.
Though she may have been especially misfortunate, Yotsuyu lamented her fate by blaming everyone else around her.

[thegreatonemal]

Once again, you seem conflicted.
First you say the Domans had the power to help Yotsuyu, but at the end you said they don’t.

Firstly, report abuse? To who, the Garleans?
You are demanding a lot out of a people living under brutal occupation.
And the soldier is exactly that - a soldier. He can’t be expected to stand guard over Yotsuyu 24/7.

Secondly, why would a pimp/mama care who works in the brothel?
In the world of the downtrodden, it’s eat or be eaten.
You are applying standards from those with means to those without.

The Domans were all individually suffering under their own circumstances.
Though she may have been especially misfortunate, Yotsuyu lamented her fate by blaming everyone else around her.

They did. The occupation didn't become brutal until she took control after the failed rebellion. So yes, the Domans could have spoken up about their own being brutal to one of their own.
You missed the point. He tried to get her step parents to get her an education because they were trying to send their son off to a fancy Garlen school and move up in the world. Lying to the empire about something might get that revoked. No one said he needed to be there 24/7
The guy was running a well off business, he didn't need her. This wasn't some downtrodden world. Their family was quite well off at this point.
Were they really suffering so much that nobody around could offer her any words or speak up for her. Really? Nah, they all knew what was happening and simply went about their lives. It's that callous indifference that made her mad at Domans and which she repaid when she got power.

[Shuuchi]

Given that I have experienced quite a bit of similarities to Yotsuyu's life, I would do the same when presented with the monsters who did what they did to me. Not to mention that she had Asahi whispering in her ear, gaslighting and manipulating what he wanted out of her in order to then have her killed by the WoL.

She was wronged. She was beaten to the ground and left to rot, and the seeds of despair wormed their way through. There's a reason Fordola and her have gone different paths - people faced with trauma, heartache, destruction channel it in different ways.

She wasn't always Tsuyu when she was playing Tsuyu, you know? She remembered. She wanted to leave because of her guilt, her sadness. She didn't just leave to go do bad things - she left because she thought she was doing something good and she didn't want the person who showed her kindness (Gosetsu) to feel disappointment and anguish when she turned out to be Yotsuyu instead of Tsuyu. She was a person who tried to do good and was manipulated by the world around her into bad.

So what if the town wasn't at fault, if Doma wasn't at fault? The systems in place still allowed for what happened to her to HAPPEN.

I agree with you on the subject of Asahi.
If it was not for him, things would have played out very differently.
Not only did he push Yotsuyu to commit suicide via WoL, he used his own parents, fully knowing that they would be killed.
SE went full-hog on historical references with SB.
After all, the Rising Sun flag of Imperial Japan is literately called Asahi.
His red and white uniform was definitely no coincidence either.
Asahi was initially presented as a ray of hope, mirroring the dream of a Pan-Pacific Union in our history.
Followed by a stinging betrayal as Japan descended down the path of imperialist ambitions, becoming the cruelest empire in history.

On the subject of Fordola vs Yotsuyu, I agree as well.
The channel makes all the difference.
As I have previously mentioned, Fordola, being a reference to the Indians who sided with the British, chose to deal with her anguish by turning it into motivation.
Though it was not in the favour of the WoL, Fordola’s choice was ultimately a positive channel of release, which eventually led to her redemption.
Yotsuyu on the other hand, chose to deal with her anguish by embracing her inner monster.
As a destructive path not in the favour or anyone involved, including herself, Yotsuyu’s choice was a negative channel of release, which made her irredeemable - a fact that she herself seemed to agree with, as she contemplated suicide.
Thus, I disagree that the world was responsible for manipulating Yotsuyu into doing bad things.
We are who we choose to be, and Yotsuyu chose poorly.

[Fenral]

You still seem to be forgetting that Fordola had family, friends, people she cared about in Al Mhigo. Yotsuyu had none of that. She was never taught love. That's why she made the choice she did, because she was never given a reason to believe that other people mattered. Not until Gosetsu saved her.


That's what makes them foils. You can compare them and see that there was a reason their paths diverged, and it's not some ambiguous moral essence: it's their circumstances.