Yotsuyu, the irredeemable monster

[Shuuchi]

Her entire village knew what was going on. Punishing the people directly responsible is one thing but you can't say if the whole town knew and did nothing that they aren't to blame too. Nobody stood up for this women and everyone knew what was happening to her. No one is throwing the whole country in jail but their inaction led to her becoming the way she was. Only one person did try and it wasn't Gosetsu.

You seem conflicted.
Inaction is a crime but not worthy of punishment?
Am I interpreting that correctly?

If you see a robbery in progress but did not stop it, does that make you guilty by association?

[thegreatonemal]

You seem conflicted.
Inaction is a crime but not worthy of punishment?
Am I interpreting that correctly?

If you see a robbery in progress but did not stop it, does that make you guilty by association?

No, you just don't understand the cultural lesson the story is conveying here. But to use your flawed example If I see a crime and I have the power and ability to stop it and don't I'm not gonna go to jail but if somebody dies during that crime some people are gonna be mad at me for not jumping in and helping. Might have been able to save somebody.

No one needed super powers to tell her step parents to go to hell or report them for abusing that child. Hell the entire village shaming them or if that one Garlen solider had come back and made good on his threat would have been enough. The guy who became her pimp could of said "I'm not letting you use her to repay your debts she clearly not cut out for this life." Or he could of taken her in and not pimped her out just getting her away from her clearly abusive parents. But he said "Look how hot she is I can't NOT let my clients run a train on her."

Her abuse of the Doman people is simply payback in the same manner she was treated. They all have to look at each other as they go through all the crap she puts them through. Them begging for help from their neighbors as their on the ground suffer and have to watch as those same friends and family ignore them in their hour of need. Yea of course if they actually tried to help they'd get punished or killed but that's not the point for her.

[Shuuchi]

No, you just don't understand the cultural lesson the story is conveying here. But to use your flawed example If I see a crime and I have the power and ability to stop it and don't I'm not gonna go to jail but if somebody dies during that crime some people are gonna be mad at me for not jumping in and helping. Might have been able to save somebody.

No one needed super powers to tell her step parents to go to hell or report them for abusing that child. Hell the entire village shaming them or if that one Garlen solider had come back and made good on his threat would have been enough. The guy who became her pimp could of said "I'm not letting you use her to repay your debts she clearly not cut out for this life." Or he could of taken her in and not pimped her out just getting her away from her clearly abusive parents. But he said "Look how hot she is I can't NOT let my clients run a train on her."

Her abuse of the Doman people is simply payback in the same manner she was treated. They all have to look at each other as they go through all the crap she puts them through. Them begging for help from their neighbors as their on the ground suffer and have to watch as those same friends and family ignore them in their hour of need. Yea of course if they actually tried to help they'd get punished or killed but that's not the point for her.

Once again, you seem conflicted.
First you say the Domans had the power to help Yotsuyu, but at the end you said they don’t.

Firstly, report abuse? To who, the Garleans?
You are demanding a lot out of a people living under brutal occupation.
And the soldier is exactly that - a soldier. He can’t be expected to stand guard over Yotsuyu 24/7.

Secondly, why would a pimp/mama care who works in the brothel?
In the world of the downtrodden, it’s eat or be eaten.
You are applying standards from those with means to those without.

The Domans were all individually suffering under their own circumstances.
Though she may have been especially misfortunate, Yotsuyu lamented her fate by blaming everyone else around her.

[thegreatonemal]

Once again, you seem conflicted.
First you say the Domans had the power to help Yotsuyu, but at the end you said they don’t.

Firstly, report abuse? To who, the Garleans?
You are demanding a lot out of a people living under brutal occupation.
And the soldier is exactly that - a soldier. He can’t be expected to stand guard over Yotsuyu 24/7.

Secondly, why would a pimp/mama care who works in the brothel?
In the world of the downtrodden, it’s eat or be eaten.
You are applying standards from those with means to those without.

The Domans were all individually suffering under their own circumstances.
Though she may have been especially misfortunate, Yotsuyu lamented her fate by blaming everyone else around her.

They did. The occupation didn't become brutal until she took control after the failed rebellion. So yes, the Domans could have spoken up about their own being brutal to one of their own.
You missed the point. He tried to get her step parents to get her an education because they were trying to send their son off to a fancy Garlen school and move up in the world. Lying to the empire about something might get that revoked. No one said he needed to be there 24/7
The guy was running a well off business, he didn't need her. This wasn't some downtrodden world. Their family was quite well off at this point.
Were they really suffering so much that nobody around could offer her any words or speak up for her. Really? Nah, they all knew what was happening and simply went about their lives. It's that callous indifference that made her mad at Domans and which she repaid when she got power.

[DPZ2]

No, you just don't understand the cultural lesson the story is conveying here.

You then go on to teach a 'cultural lesson' using 21st century not-yet-100%-certified morals and laws. "Report them for abusing the child" - to whom, and what for? Children were (and still are, in some places) property to be disposed of as the parents see fit. Female children more so.

The term "pimp" is a bit 16th Century, which is closer than "madam", which is ever so 19th Century. Both associations are a bit on the shady side, but not necessarily illegal, depending on the culture involved. In certain times, and in certain cultures, the owners of sex slaves were actually on the right side of society.

Does it make it right in the 21st Century. Not in my eyes. Should it provide an excuse for Random Murder and Wanton Sadism against an entire country (and other countries ruled by the same Mad Person? Not in my eyes. Should I condone the behaviour of said Mad Person just because they've led a terrible life and finally have the Power to cut loose? No.

[thegreatonemal]

You then go on to teach a 'cultural lesson' using 21st century not-yet-100%-certified morals and laws. "Report them for abusing the child" - to whom, and what for? Children were (and still are, in some places) property to be disposed of as the parents see fit. Female children more so.

The term "pimp" is a bit 16th Century, which is closer than "madam", which is ever so 19th Century. Both associations are a bit on the shady side, but not necessarily illegal, depending on the culture involved. In certain times, and in certain cultures, the owners of sex slaves were actually on the right side of society.

Does it make it right in the 21st Century. Not in my eyes. Should it provide an excuse for Random Murder and Wanton Sadism against an entire country (and other countries ruled by the same Mad Person? Not in my eyes. Should I condone the behaviour of said Mad Person just because they've led a terrible life and finally have the Power to cut loose? No.

Was there a point to any of that. Because you straight up missed the point I was making and did whatever this was.

[DPZ2]

Was there a point to any of that. Because you straight up missed the point I was making and did whatever this was.

Your point was, and I quote: "Her abuse of the Doman people is simply payback in the same manner she was treated".

Your justification is based on a decidedly 21st century outlook that simply doesn't exist in the game world itself, and incorporates an outlook that better fits modern media tactics.

You used 'examples' such as child abuse and prostitution by pimp. Neither example exists in the game world as legal concepts, and the term 'pimp' wouldn't have been used (and actually was not used at all in-game)

As for 'payback in the same manner' ... not, not really. If it was in-kind payback there would be a lot less women in Doma itself, as they would have been transported to Garlemald as prostitutes.

Face it, Yotsuyu was a Mad Sadist who enjoyed torturing people. Maybe she learned from the best, maybe not. She herself realizes that she's still not satisfied, which speaks to a level of deparavity that cannot be excused as 'payback'.