A returning players thoughts on the community

[Oldschoolegamer38]

Too late, I already reported you for your slanderous topic and your signature.



Why are you asking what others are saying if you don't wanna listen to them then? Oh, my mistake! you're a returning player! You never listen to what others say rofl! Case closed.

just not listening to you there is a difference, as you do not represent the community.

[Vahlnir]

point 1) when I left the game the community was still friendly towards one another and the elitist asshattery didn't infect the community yet there were a few bad apples and the community looked down on them.
Point 2) When I was reorientating myself back into playing this game I was asking legit questions if there were any significant changes to Limsa and other major cities. Players usually know better than a forum or patch notes as players are the ones interacting with the game.
point 3) I did say "hello miss I am a returning player" and just asked a few questions that were not hard to answer in my opinion if they were up to date on things and her first response was "do I know you?" and replied, "I am returning player most likely no" and was by how the person was typing with a lot of "..." that was my cue to stop talking to her and I did apologize for asking her a couple of questions. and I asked someone else who just said, "look at the patch notes" as this goes back to my answer to point 2.
Point 4) That is not a generalization when the statement of "Is this is how the community has become?" is because of that interaction with the person that had me dogpiled and falsely reported for asking them to kindly move. you left out the context of why I made that statement.

And the point I was trying to make remains intact. So yeah, you were and still are making some sweeping generalizations that don't quite fit the reality of the situation. I'm not defending the jerks. I never do. If things played out as you said then I'd say they were mostly in the wrong. But don't mistake the actions of a few for the actions of many. I didn't leave anything out, but I still feel like you might be.

just not listening to you there is a difference, as you do not represent the community.

So you acknowledge that a troll doesn't represent the community and yet you are quick to judge it, albeit inaccurately? Color me confused.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

And the point I was trying to make remains intact. So yeah, you were and still are making some sweeping generalizations that don't quite fit the reality of the situation. I'm not defending the jerks. I never do. If things played out as you said then I'd say they were mostly in the wrong. But don't mistake the actions of a few for the actions of many. I didn't leave anything out, but I still feel like you might be.



So you acknowledge that a troll doesn't represent the community and yet you are quick to judge it, albeit inaccurately? Color me confused.

Color you confused? When you are mixing two interactions (my original post and the interactions with the troll) into one subject as an attempt to confuse not only me but others reading this at a failed attempt at a gotcha moment. That's being intellectually dishonest with me and others reading this, the troll has nothing to do with the points you yourself pointed out. You left out the context to the statement I made at the end of my OP in point 4 of my response. Stick to what you pointed out sir, then we might have some actual dialogue and not a gotcha moment to make yourself look smart.

[Vahlnir]

Am I the only one who finds OPs post a bit suspicious? I believe that OP may not telling the full truth here or missing out important parts... .




I never experienced something like that in my 6-7 years. What kind of player is freaking out because of a simple question? You are sure, you not missing out something?





What kind of GM is about to give a temp ban for 2 false reports? They can check whats written in the chat and if a GM is calling you, you may be not THAT innocent... .

See, Caitlyn has a pretty good understanding. Also nope, you aren't the only one who's a little suspicious.

Color you confused? When you are mixing two interactions (my original post and the interactions with the troll) into one subject as an attempt to confuse not only me but others reading this at a failed attempt at a gotcha moment. That's being intellectually dishonest with me and others reading this, the troll has nothing to do with the points you yourself pointed out. You left out the context to the statement I made at the end of my OP in point 4 of my response. Stick to what you pointed out sir, then we might have some actual dialogue and not a gotcha moment to make yourself look smart.

I've made my point, and haven't been dishonest about any of it. Not my fault you don't want to hear it. lol If you wanted an echo chamber, that was never going to happen. You are free to have your opinions, obviously, but others are just as free to disagree with you.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

See, Caitlyn has a pretty good understanding. Also nope, you aren't the only one who's a little suspicious.



I've made my point, and haven't been dishonest about any of it. Not my fault you don't want to hear it. lol If you wanted an echo chamber, that was never going to happen. You are free to have your opinions, obviously, but others are just as free to disagree with you.

oh so you had to get someone else involved because I called you out on your intellectual dishonesty...we are done here seems I cannot have actual honest dialogue when you and your friend are looking for a gotcha moment than having an actual dialogue. you two don't have any right to say anything when your:

A) By taking parts of what I say and purposely take it out of context. To fill a narrative for a gotcha moment that would make you look smart, If you were really that intelligent you would never have to break things up into sections that would make your point valid. That in itself is being intellectually dishonest with everyone in this thread.
B) after catching you being intellectually dishonest with me and others reading this thread you had to contact another person to get involved which shows you cannot handle an open honest dialogue with people who do not agree with you on your own. Goes to show even more you are not an intelligent person but dishonest as well.
C) said person you had come to help you then try to discredits what had happened to me with a dismissing comment "never happened to them in the 6+ yrs of playing" which in itself is being intellectually dishonest as well because if It never happened to them it never happens at all, which makes that statement invalid in this conversation and questioning validity of my claims when said person wasn't there in the first place which doesn't make her and authority of the situation in the first place.
D) your friend has no GM experience whatsoever in the statements she is making. Once again intellectual dishonesty and trying to create a gotcha moment instead of actual dialogue. you and your "friend" need to come up with actual intelligent dialogue and not try to make yourself look smart with hot take gotcha moments.

You are insulting my intelligence and the intelligence of the people reading this thread. I do not conversate with intellectually dishonest people like you and your friend.

[Vahlnir]

oh so you had to get someone else involved because I called you out on your intellectual dishonesty...we are done here seems I cannot have actual honest dialogue when you and your friend are looking for a gotcha moment than having an actual dialogue. you two don't have any right to say anything when your:

A) By taking parts of what I say and purposely take it out of context. To fill a narrative for a gotcha moment that would make you look smart, If you were really that intelligent you would never have to break things up into sections that would make your point valid. That in itself is being intellectually dishonest with everyone in this thread.
B) after catching you being intellectually dishonest with me and others reading this thread you had to contact another person to get involved which shows you cannot handle an open honest dialogue with people who do not agree with you on your own. Goes to show even more you are not an intelligent person but dishonest as well.
C) said person you had come to help you then try to discredits what had happened to me with a dismissing comment "never happened to them in the 6+ yrs of playing" which in itself is being intellectually dishonest as well because if It never happened to them it never happens at all, which makes that statement invalid in this conversation and questioning validity of my claims when said person wasn't there in the first place which doesn't make her and authority of the situation in the first place.
D) your friend has no GM experience whatsoever in the statements she is making. Once again intellectual dishonesty and trying to create a gotcha moment instead of actual dialogue. you and your "friend" need to come up with actual intelligent dialogue and not try to make yourself look smart with hot take gotcha moments.

You are insulting my intelligence and the intelligence of the people reading this thread. I do not conversate with intellectually dishonest people like you and your friend.

nothing you said remains intact..I caught you being intellectually dishonest and you cannot handle being caught. So you had to get someone else involved because you couldn't handle doing the adult thing and admit you were wrong... All this for a gotcha moment to make yourself look smart...

Just for the record, you are taking this leaps and bounds farther than most people ever would. I had all but forgotten our disagreement. lol If you wish to insult me as much as you currently are, that's fine. I'm not playing that game though, since I never really was from the start.

I had my doubts and my questions and did not hesitate to voice those concerns. You wondered where I got those from, so I gave you the exact details as to why I was coming to my own conclusions or theories. Instead of addressing these concerns and putting things to rest, you got angry. Fast. And then you went on the attack, which raised more questions than answers. So yeah, I reacted and dug in my heels a bit to defend my position. Perhaps the both of us could have handled ourselves a little better, but ultimately that changes nothing now. What's done is done.

I also saw that someone was making a similar point and decided to quote them and agree with them. As far as I'm aware they aren't my friend. lol I just happened to agree with them. I agree with a few people here more often than not though, while butting heads with some others on various subjects. It just depends on the who and what. I do my best to get along with as many people as I can though, but I'm never going to get along with everyone. That's a simple fact of life. I am who I am. Some people like me, some don't. It is what it is. I am a lot of things, but I'm never dishonest.

Not much I can really do about all of that now though since I personally moved past this days ago, but I am giving you the courtesy of addressing what you said so there's no real unfinished business on my end. For what it's worth, I'm not angry myself. I think we would both benefit from walking away from this one. I know I did and will once again. I won't budge and neither will you, and there's not really anything else left for me to say that hasn't already been said. I really don't have the energy or desire to take this any further than I have already. Life's too short for this crap. As such, I will bow out of this thread. Good luck, have fun and stuff.

For future reference, if you want to converse some other time on these forums we can do just that. I don't hold grudges. If we were talking in another thread right now we could very well be having an entirely different debate with the complete opposite tone.

[Oldschoolegamer38]

And the point I was trying to make remains intact. So yeah, you were and still are making some sweeping generalizations that don't quite fit the reality of the situation. I'm not defending the jerks. I never do. If things played out as you said then I'd say they were mostly in the wrong. But don't mistake the actions of a few for the actions of many. I didn't leave anything out, but I still feel like you might be.



So you acknowledge that a troll doesn't represent the community and yet you are quick to judge it, albeit inaccurately? Color me confused.

nothing you said remains intact..I caught you being intellectually dishonest and you cannot handle being caught. So you had to get someone else involved because you couldn't handle doing the adult thing and admit you were wrong... All this for a gotcha moment to make yourself look smart...