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  1. #151
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    That's a pretty shallow reason actually
    I don't really think that's the reason, altho in some cases it probably is.
    I've seen people go on huge blatantly racist rants about Lyse because she's light-skinned and blonde from Ala Mhigo and about Minfillia too as she's a Highlander ( yes because everyone from there and every Highlander is totally dark-skinned ).

    I get criticism about writing but some people just use that as an excuse to go off and rant about something else entirely and just hate characters for superficial reasons.
    I've seen Alphinaud get hate too for being '' too girly '' etc.
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  2. #152
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    Dal S'ta
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    The problem with the someone must die to feed my need for Angst attitude is that it rarely happens. Readers and movie-goers are so involved with the characters that anything that looks like a death for the sake of invoking a Sad will conjure up wrath.

    In one word, from this game: Sultana.


    Writers (and don't believe that movie scripts aren't a form of writing) want their works to be remembered fondly.
    • Comics killed off Superman for plot reasons and ... Surprise! Well, that is a well-known trope involving multiple universes and the reasonable expectation of being pardoned by the audience.
    • Someone shot JR (I know, kiddies, you probably weren't even born back then) for years and years of plot reasons and ... Surprise!
    • Half of the entire Universe disappears at the flick of a finger and ... Surprise!
    • A member of the Fellowship of the Ring dies, which advances the plot and ... Surprise!

    The only folks who die and stay dead for no apparent reason are in horror movies and the novels of George R.R. Martin. Both are popular, but Final Fantasy XIV is neither horror nor a novel written by Mr. Martin.

    The only member of the actual Fellowship of the Ring who dies had that death predicted through his own character flaws, and the guy still ends up being heroic.

    Sacrifices are made in this game, many of them resulting in death. Some of them do not -- The only truly traumatic death in FFXIV to this point did not have his death predicted, and the guy's death ends up being tragic and a driver for the Warrior of Light for the rest of that expansion.
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  3. #153
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymi64 View Post
    Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?
    because he had served his "purpose" and was perfectly "happy", with being locked away in the crystal tower forever knowing that he helped avert the calamity he experienced even at the cost of living a normal life, see: him more than willing to kill himself to stop the light and send us back
    his only wish was for us to carry his crystal with us on our adventures so that we'd always have him close, but of course we had to fuse his soul with source graha's
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  4. #154
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    Akiimi Akagane
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    The death of a favorite character can be moving or even a non favorite character death. One of my very favorite movies of all time 'Terms of Endearment' every single time I watch it I cry. These types of experiences of feeling through others pain are not to experience always. We also have to feel joy and laughter for it to mean anything. Such is life a work of art whether fantasy or rl. This game will move on how it accomplishes that matters. So far this story is driving me personally and I am enjoying it emensely and more important I am enjoying it with all of you. WoL will move on but where will they go and what will they be or do next that is the real ❓?
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  5. #155
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    because he had served his "purpose" and was perfectly "happy", with being locked away in the crystal tower forever knowing that he helped avert the calamity he experienced even at the cost of living a normal life, see: him more than willing to kill himself to stop the light and send us back
    his only wish was for us to carry his crystal with us on our adventures so that we'd always have him close, but of course we had to fuse his soul with source graha's
    And that explains why you wish him to die?

    His death only made sense to him before the end of the 5.0 main story. A lot came between that time and the end of the main story line in 5.3. Enough for players to realize that
    1. He knew that the Tower could eventually be breached
    2. He knew that he could not accompany us back to the source in his current body.
    3. He knew that his blood-infused crystal would be sufficient to allow us to pass through those sealed doors.

    Would he have been "happy" to die? I suspect that even at the end of 5.3, he knew darn well what he was doing. And we, as Warrior of Light, also knew.

    Plus, the relationship dynamic serves as inspiration for fan fiction in soooooo many ways.

    You may be annoyed at his character, but he doesn't deserve to die in story just because of that annoyance.
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  6. #156
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    Shao Kuraisenshi
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    From my own perspective is not about of forcing deaths but being tired of the huge amount of fake deaths, it's like can you stop making this fake moments and kill someone for real for once? fake deaths are a narrative resource but like many stuff in this world abuse of this resource lower the quality of the story, it makes it predictable and uninteresting since you know no main character is going to die or suffer mayor injures that incapacite them forever, and what's worse is when it actually happen the moment doesn't have the impact it should due you expect them to come back somehow killing the flow of the story bcs is what that always happen.

    The other problem i see with the story of this game is the poor balance betwen the good guys and the bad guys, while the whole cast of the good guys has remain inctact with almost no losses the bad guys has been taking heavy blow again and again, that lower the threat astronomically and they can threat us with destroy the world or strip us of our skin we know when the moment comes we are going to be there and slap your face so hard and effortless that you are going to see the deep space and see who is the next poor bastard that's going to fail even before they put in march they plans again.

    This game have a general fantastic world and concept of the story but the execution is really poor for the need of fanservice, what it's seems like an a mature world setting with consequences and ppl suffering this flow is complety erased with victory after victory from our part, the good guys surviving always and losing only minor secondary characters while the other side lose his main characters one after another until the only thing you have is a flat couple one doing nothing but warming the chair waiting you and the other burning the world bcs why not.
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
    while the whole cast of the good guys has remain inctact with almost no losses the bad guys has been taking heavy blow again and again, that lower the threat astronomically
    This is because the bad buys have not yet formed the Society for the Advancement of Evil.

    Since most of them end up dead, it's easy to see why this is so.
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  8. #158
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    What huge amount of fake deaths? Or rather whom? Are you talking about Y'stola being caught in the aetherial sea? I am not sure about this huge amount you are talking about?
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  9. #159
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    Novia Marius
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymi64 View Post
    Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?
    Because they invented a completely new personality to sell us a new mandatory bff immediately after a heroic and touching death scene. In the CT quests/SHB storyline he was eager to work with us and looked up to us but he didn't trip over his feet wiggle ears OwO UwU w-w-wol kun~ around us. I liked the exarch, I liked 2.x graha. I do not like what I've been saddled with.
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  10. #160
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    What huge amount of fake deaths? Or rather whom? Are you talking about Y'stola being caught in the aetherial sea? I am not sure about this huge amount you are talking about?
    Yeah, there was that one time, and everybody is still salty about it. They ignore the fact that if you don't see an actual body, nobody is really dead.
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