*SPOILERS* Terrified for the remaining Scions!

[MikkoAkure]

I disagree that killing characters is in and of itself good writing. Like any plot element or trope, the way it's handled determines whether it was good or not, not just the fact that you're killing by itself. It can be done really well and have a deep emotional impact on the players/readers, or it will do nothing but piss people off.

Haurchefant's death was impactful partly because it came out of nowhere, and he was a beloved character who had helped us get this far. But by this point, all of the scions have very nearly or apparently died so many times it won't have as much of an impact, and they've been around long enough that it would just make people angry rather than sad if they were killed. Killing a character just to raise stakes is bad writing. Plus, it gives diminishing returns. The more death that happens in a specific piece of media, the less people will care every time it happens. Especially if it's the Scions, who are always in mortal peril every time. Unfortunately I feel like Game of Thrones' popularity has caused an obsession with character death and created a new generation of edgelords who think that characters need to die for writing to be good.

Then there's the gameplay aspect. I don't think a character that is killed off will appear in the trust for dungeons, at least as a replayable option. Thancred's fight in ShB didn't have as much of an effect on me since I knew he would live since you can replay him in the trust in dungeons over and over. There's also the fact that the Scions represent our character's voice and emotions. WoL is a silent protagonist who has never done too much emoting or great speeches on their own and relies on the characters around them. If we killed ALL of the scions, is the climax of a whole decade of the game's story just supposed to be Zenos/Fandaniel talking to a wall? There's a reason why the Scions came out of nowhere for the fight with Hades.

We already know and were told that Endwalker is the end of most of the characters in the case appearing in future MSQ. But I don't think that will mean a slaughter. Additionally, this is a subscription-based game that requires a happy, paying playerbase to keep afloat. I don't think they'll take too many risks in Endwalker and to think otherwise is naive.


All that said, I wouldn't mind if G'raha bites the dust. /s

[Rymi64]

Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?

[HollowedDoll]

Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?

He's a male miqote, that's enough reason for most people. Maybe his fanboyism plays into it too?

[Snorky]

He's a male miqote, that's enough reason for most people. Maybe his fanboyism plays into it too?

That's a pretty shallow reason actually

[MikkoAkure]

Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?

In my case it was supposed to be a joke but in retrospect, sarcasm is hard to get across on the internet.

[HollowedDoll]

That's a pretty shallow reason actually

It is what it is, personally I preferred him when he was his exarch persona so more mature and like... with personal growth ( even if it was off-screen) and not... quirky catboy from CT jumping off of things haha I'm so quirky heterochromia.

sidenote:
male miqote players are pretty scary sometimes

edit: his hair also looked better with grey in it...

[Snorky]

It is what it is, personally I preferred him when he was his exarch persona so more mature and like... with personal growth ( even if it was off-screen) and not... quirky catboy from CT jumping off of things haha I'm so quirky heterochromia.

sidenote:
male miqote players are pretty scary sometimes

Lol to each his own I guess ������

[Novae]

Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?

Because he's a downgraded version of the Exarch. Dude went from a hundred + years old Crystarium leader to a shy 16 yo WoL fanboi. It makes no sense.

[KizuyaKatogami]

How is G'raha surviving a plot hole?

Because they explicitly state multiple times throughout the story, the farther he is from the tower, the weaker he gets. They even go so far as to show us this in Kholusia when he almost passes out from taking on a few sin eaters and has to rest. So when he’s taken to the bottom of the ocean, the farthest he’s ever been, while also having been shot, really he should be the weakest he’s ever been. Yet he’s somehow able to summon 7 wol for the hades fight, despite not even being able to do that while under the full power of the crystal tower, he failed 4-5 times and that was just to get us, one person. Meanwhile he’s able to replicate it 7 times while being the farthest from the tower he’s ever been. If they had at least had him sacrifice himself to do it that would make a bit more sense than what we got.

Yep. We never lose - not, at least, on a strategic level. Final Fantasy used to take risks - in FFVI, we were defeated; we killed Kefka, but it was heavily implied that millions perished, and the world was irrevocably altered. We won, but we lost... and our victory couldn't reverse what had occured on our watch: burned cities, continents sundered, and magic (and a race of ancient magical beings) snuffed out. We failed, and others paid. It made the payoff at the end as much about revenge as rejoicing - it was a hollow victory, and because of that, it felt real.

I'm still waiting for FFXIV to hand us a situation like that - where the WoL comes up short, and there is no easy recovery. Something tells me that I'll be left disappointed. This story is just so nonchalant when it comes to perils and penalties. We simply do not experience anything more significant than minor setbacks.

Put it in better words than i could’ve. It just takes away from the moments for me. I don’t feel like i’ve achieved anything because it was all handed to me via plot armor and plot holes. A story filled with things like that isn’t a well-written one imo. Especially when they go back on their own lore points just to keep characters alive. It’s annoying for people who are heavily invested in the story and lore just for all that it be rendered meaningless because they can’t bring themselves to kill anyone off or give them consequences. Like you said i remember when final fantasy was all about consequences. FF6 is a good example, FF12 is another one where while the protag’s at the end of the day did defeat the antagonist, the antagonist still got what she wanted and the world slowly lost its magic and fell to ruin. Same thing happens in final fantasy 13 where the main character literally dies due to the antagonists actions and then the world gets destroyed.

[Rosenstrauch]

Why do so many people dislike graha and want him to die O.o?

I do hate to keep going on about this—I'd much rather talk about things I like. Like existential horror, dragons, primals, voidsent, and basically everything except G'raha. But since it was asked...

I don't like that the Exarch's death was written to overshadow Elidibus's. I don't like that his death was also played up as such a bittersweet tragedy when it was plainly obvious they weren't really going to kill him. And I really don't like that they played up the all but romantic angle with him, to the point where he was willing to abandon his own granddaughter just to go gallivanting around the Source with us—that was even before Elidibus took the choice out of his hands. But most of all, I don't like how little the original G'raha Tia's existence was taken into account in the process. To me, it feels less like a fusion between their two souls and more like the Exarch has erased his past self and taken over his body.

I don't necessarily want him to die—and I doubt I'd be satisfied if he did because I dislike him as much as I do. I would much rather have had the original G'raha, awakened from the tower with no memory of the events on the First and in the future, than whatever he currently is. But since that's never happening, I'd settle for him getting the Gaius treatment. Put him into some side content that ends with him settling into his new lot in life, far away from the rest of the story. And he if does have to remain relevant until then, don't make the story revolve around him as much as Shadowbringers did. Let him be just another Scion, no more important or special than the rest.