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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    And why do you assume there isn't an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord to share data in matters of TOS enforcement?

    Why do you assume that Square Enix can't just wait until the game logs have sufficient proof based off of the Discord leads so they can take action and ban people?

    We know that SE does ban people for RMT (see https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...17da61235fd9e1 ), but we don't know how they are actually detecting and generating the evidence to ban someone for RMT. It would be foolhardy to automatically rule out Discord as "safe" ground.
    Why do you assume there is an existing agreement between Square Enix and Discord?

    Your response seem just tinfoil hat conspiracy theory cause you can't accept an L

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Seriously, go back to talking about Housing. Law is not your strong suit.
    Let's be honest, Kenky - Neither is housing.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Because By Law, Discord would have to publicly state that they have a deal with Square Enix that allows them to collect data and general information on its users. If that truly were the case, then the house-sellers wouldn't use it. Similar to how someone breaking into your house isn't going to stick around when they hear the sirens coming.
    Please state the specific penal code that it would violate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Seriously, go back to talking about Housing. Law is not your strong suit.
    At least I'm not pretending to be a lawyer here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Please state the specific penal code that it would violate.
    Pretty damn rich for you to ask for evidence to back a claim, when you never do it yourself.

    I will happily provide evidence for my stance, once you decide to do it yourself. No point in breaking my butt for some hoity-toighty drama queen that can't accept they've lost.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Pretty damn rich for you to ask for evidence to back a claim, when you never do it yourself.

    I will happily provide evidence for my stance, once you decide to do it yourself. No point in breaking my butt for some hoity-toighty drama queen that can't accept they've lost.
    You saying that to yourself?

    Besides, it's not like we actually have ownership rights to any of the content we put on the social media platforms. For example, any picture you post on Facebook becomes Facebooks (and you lose all rights to said image) for Facebook to do with as they wish, and completely deny you any monetization derived from said image.

    That said, you cannot debunk what I am saying because you know what I am saying is true - so you will resort to flaming me because that is the only recourse you have left. It would actually be kinda funny if it wasn't so pathetically transparent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    That said, you cannot debunk what I am saying because you know what I am saying is true - so you will resort to flaming me because that is the only recourse you have left. It would actually be kinda funny if it wasn't so pathetically transparent.
    Pot. Meet kettle.

    Everyone can collectively go through all of your recent posts and see how you attack anyone who disagrees with you, coming up with beyond delusional leaps of logic to try and make people think you're in the right. You never give evidence to your claims, even when people ask if not outright demand you to and instead of actually adhering to the request, you play the victim and act as if people calling you out is unjustified.

    Grow. The hell. Up. You have already lost almost every "discussion" you've held these past few months and instead of taking the L, you claim harassment, stalking or anything else to act as a flimsy-ass defense. Nobody takes you seriously and nobody even cares for your existence.

    And with that, I am done feeding the obvious troll. You are 300% not worth the bloody headaches at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Pot. Meet kettle.

    Everyone can collectively go through all of your recent posts and see how you attack anyone who disagrees with you, coming up with beyond delusional leaps of logic to try and make people think you're in the right. You never give evidence to your claims, even when people ask if not outright demand you to and instead of actually adhering to the request, you play the victim and act as if people calling you out is unjustified.

    Grow. The hell. Up. You have already lost almost every "discussion" you've held these past few months and instead of taking the L, you claim harassment, stalking or anything else to act as a flimsy-ass defense. Nobody takes you seriously and nobody even cares for your existence.

    And with that, I am done feeding the obvious troll. You are 300% not worth the bloody headaches at this point.
    All I'm asking you to do is show how it is illegal for the SE GMs to be monitoring that Discord server, taking notes, and then watching the ingame logs for when something lines up, and actioning off of the ingame logs. Show me what laws that would violate because "it breaks the law" doesn't mean anything unless it is quanitified. I am also stating that by posting content onto Discord (or any other social media for that matter) doesn't really make it your content, just content Discord has identified to belong to a specific login that (in theory) only you happen to know the login information for, so in essence, Discord (and the other social media platforms) can (and have) bypassed privacy laws because of terms you agreed to in their terms of service.

    In this scenario, it is no different than an anonymous tip reported to law enforcement.

    Your response (as usual) is to sperg out and flame me rather than knock a softball out of the park because if it was as obvious as you have claimed, you would have already done so.

    And they call me the troll.........
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    Last edited by Almagnus1; 08-05-2021 at 04:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.
    They don't define it so they don't back themselves into a corner.
    If they said "too much" was 500k, people would sell them for 499,999 gil.
    Too much is vague so they can always look at sales they don't like and say "that's too much."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    All I'm asking you to do is show how it is illegal for the SE GMs to be monitoring that Discord server, taking notes, and then watching the ingame logs for when something lines up, and actioning off of the ingame logs. Show me what laws that would violate because "it breaks the law" doesn't mean anything unless it is quanitified. I am also stating that by posting content onto Discord (or any other social media for that matter) doesn't really make it your content, just content Discord has identified to belong to a specific login that (in theory) only you happen to know the login information for, so in essence, Discord (and the other social media platforms) can (and have) bypassed privacy laws because of terms you agreed to in their terms of service.

    And they call me the troll.........
    Sorry to break your dream bubble but that twitch ban has nothing to do with FF14 GM and credit belongs to SE PR team.
    It is the PR team that monitoring social media platform and noticed the activity that will damage the image of FF14 and SE as whole and took the action
    Game Master only deal with in game issues and they have no authority outside of game.
    This is also why all RMT related issue is dealt by the Special Task Force.

    Even for PR team, they are not CIA that do not respect other nation's sovereignty
    They can't not spy and monitoring Discord that is not an open platform (a lot of channel need permission to access; it is not as same as Twitter or Twitch where you don't need account)
    It is just like Yoship said about they can not putting spyware into player computer to detects if players are using parser.
    They need to follow the law and respect the privacy.

    In regard to people thinks you as forum troll, all you have post in the past provide that image, it is all you.
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    Last edited by Divinemights; 08-07-2021 at 03:36 AM.

  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divinemights View Post
    Sorry to break your dream bubble but that twitch ban has nothing to do with FF14 GM and credit belongs to SE PR team.
    Who said anything about Twitch?

    For the first time in your posting history, could you please make sense instead of an inane ramble?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Who said anything about Twitch?

    For the first time in your posting history, could you please make sense instead of an inane ramble?
    Can you be a good sport and be first? You make no sense in any of your posts.
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