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  1. #11
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    Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kniteroad View Post
    Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread
    If it go bad enough, what would stop SE people to go into that Discord?
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    What makes you think they haven't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    If it go bad enough, what would stop SE people to go into that Discord?
    Square Enix cannot enforce their Terms of Service on products or avenues that they do not legally own or hold a controlling percentage of said company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kniteroad View Post
    Please see thread, this was back in 2016 that they said it was against ToS. The whole reason we are now going to a bs lottery system is because of the FC selling loophole. To prevent people from using third party software to obtain a house and flip it for stupid amounts of in game gil. If you try to use pf or post in the forum your going to get caught, hence the use of the discord. I was only trying to point that out to OP.

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...to-this-thread
    It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.
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  6. #16
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    Maley Oakensage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    Square Enix cannot enforce their Terms of Service on products or avenues that they do not legally own or hold a controlling percentage of said company.
    Who says they're not using Discord for intelligence gathering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    It literally don't give any answer to what ToS it's breaking. They can't define how much is too much gil.
    SE could define and publish how much is too much if they want to. They won't do it just as they don't go into too much detail about what they consider unacceptable language and behavior because they're in a spot if something unanticipated occurs.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    Who says they're not using Discord for intelligence gathering?
    The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms. SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

    Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard. A company cannot enforce their rules and regulations outside of their companys influence. It's why House-Sellers don't talk about it in-game. (Party Finder is a grey area in every game.)
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  9. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    The fact it would be illegal for them to use information obtained on Discord to punish players on other platforms. SE isn't looking for a lawsuit that could go badly, regardless of the outcome. Either SE loses a lot of money for 'compensation' fees, or Discord (for example) would have to publicly state ANY company can enforce their rules through Discords medium. Thus killing Discord entirely and violating several privacy laws worldwide.

    Blizzard can't ban people for talking bad about WoW on Reddit, since Reddit isn't owned by Blizzard. A company cannot enforce their rules and regulations outside of their companys influence. It's why House-Sellers don't talk about it in-game. (Party Finder is a grey area in every game.)
    They banned people from Twitch streams and Twitter in the past though. Which I'm very much against regardless what people said or shown on these plattforms. Maybe there is a legal loophole they can use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    They banned people from Twitch streams and Twitter in the past
    Both of those are considered "public domain". Twitter especially since its more of a social network, rather than a service. The Twitch one, I imagine is through the loophole of "They were broadcasting content in our game that we disagree with" and since they owned what was being shown, they had legal ground. Like what happened with Asmonbald.

    On Twitter, even on your "private" twitter account, you can be fired for things you say. That doesn't make it okay to do, but people still do it.. Maybe that'll change soon(tm)
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