Selene and Eos

[Payadopa]

Cite one established world progression SCH who wanted Selene to get removed or at the very least was pleased with the change.

I can assure you, the raiders I know were not happy with SCH's treatment in this expansion (Or the previous for that matter)

Casuals are usually not known for being sniffy about unoptimised play or unbalanced jobs.
Meta slaves made that bed and now the have to lie in it. SCH was a collateral to bring all healers in line. A case of careful what you wish for. Why would casuals care about balance when quite a few don't even read ability descriptions as is so frequently mentioned on this very forum?

[Semirhage]

There's a subtle but important difference between "golly gee, these jobs have slightly varying outputs and I wish they were more equal" and "WTF, why are these jobs just straight up superior to this other one in every single way, and to rub some salt in they have actually functional job gauges and piles of utility on top of that".

One is an implied request for homogenization. One is a demand to fix the one that gets the raw deal.

So they answered both questions at once and gave everyone a raw deal. Because it took less design work.

If anything, you could make a stronger argument that Sylphies moaning that healing was too harrrrrrrrrrrd killed Selene. At least that's a visible direct causal relationship over the implied "balance them please", which is a request with more than one solution.

[Sebazy]

Casuals are usually not known for being sniffy about unoptimised play or unbalanced jobs.
Meta slaves made that bed and now the have to lie in it. SCH was a collateral to bring all healers in line. A case of careful what you wish for. Why would casuals care about balance when quite a few don't even read ability descriptions as is so frequently mentioned on this very forum?

Buzz words don't make your point correct I'm afraid. Raiders weren't to blame for healers being streamlined into the brown mush that they are today. Ask any world prog healer that's been around since 2.0 and they will generally point towards Heavensward being the peak for healers.

I'm far more inclined to believe that SE took this approach to streamline the design process for healers and reduce the amount of time needed on each job within the role. If you are interested in the facts that I'm basing my opinion on, have a look at https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ealer-designer.

The TLDR is that SE's job design team is stretched paper thin and that still stands true to this day.

[NobleWinter]

Using Selene when she still functioned differently was basically a handicap to your healing output. Of course this was great when the content didnt demand extra healing but I imagine they didnt want novice healers to even have an option to heal "less". It also was a problem that Selene changed the skill and spell speed of the party with Fey Wind and that was awkward for a few jobs to deal with. There were so many ways to deal with the issues that didnt involve deleting Selenes existence tho. Im not sure any of that equates to a vocal group demanding changes either. High end raiders made good use of Selene and novice healers didnt want her erased either. Maybe ot was dps players who hated Selene but I never got that impression personally.

[Payadopa]

Buzz words don't make your point correct I'm afraid. Raiders weren't to blame for healers being streamlined into the brown mush that they are today. Ask any world prog healer that's been around since 2.0 and they will generally point towards Heavensward being the peak for healers.

I'm far more inclined to believe that SE took this approach to streamline the design process for healers and reduce the amount of time needed on each job within the role. If you are interested in the facts that I'm basing my opinion on, have a look at https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ealer-designer.

The TLDR is that SE's job design team is stretched paper thin and that still stands true to this day.

Don't get me wrong, I agree about the needing to invest more into healer design part. I already thumbs up'd your post. But that doesn't change he the fact that all jobs suffer from that. It's just way more noticable with healers (and tanks). No job is allowed to exel in something but also have clear weaknesses. They all must be the same. I'm already disappointed by the whole pure & shield healer thing as it means we'll never get something more interesting. But that's neither here nor there.

[Laerune]

Just add Helios a male, and Dps fairy.

[Brandedblade]

Just add Helios a male, and Dps fairy.

This would absolutely depend on how it's implemented. If you summon it instead of your healer faerie, then I completely disagree with it. While it would absolutely help in soloing and would create an element of optimization for high skilled players, this would risk proving toxic in the hands of less skilled players. Remember all the memes of SCH just sitting in cleric stance and not helping their co-healers heal at all? While at high levels of play SCHs absolutely carried their weight and more in heals, this meme certainly existed for a reason with more average players.

Personally if we where to have a dps faerie, it would need to be a seperate "turret" we summon and place on the field, just like a Searing Totem from WoW. Heck, you could divide it into two skills

Skill A: Summon Helios, who will strike the last target you applied Biolysis with Solar Ray, dealing fire aspected damage with a potency of X for Y seconds. Gain 5 Fae Aether everytime Helios successful strikes a target with Solar Ray.

Skill B: Summon Helios, who will create a Solar Wind in a 5 yalm radius around him, dealing fire aspected damage with a potency of Z to each target every 3 seconds for Y seconds, if Solar Wind hits more then 2 enemies gain 5 Fae Aether.

[Gfrancsecolt86]

Fairy capabilities aside just give us customizable skins for the ones we have =(
I want my Selene too play the part! she should have a moon theme! that would fir perfectly with my Keeper of the Moon Miqo'te.

[AnotherPerson]

I miss this too. The main reason I used to do it was that I could control 100% where the deployment was coming from, vs players who move unpredictably.

Agreed, this is what makes Deployment Tactics fun to use. Maybe it's not very powerful, but it certainly is fun to be able to deploy an untouched succor shield immediately after the previous shield was consumed.

[ItMe]

Imo missed opportunity for the faeries to act like AST stances

Yo that could have been real neat!