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  1. #31
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    Jettinson's Avatar
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    Ivan Moondiver
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    Alpha
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Genz View Post


    "Burst" is precisely not about "being absolutely persistent to it" (this is pressure). A perfect burst kills a target before the opponent can do anything about it, so it's about finding the right moment to attack (what I've told above, adapting to what the opponent do). Feint and surprise switch are also valid tactic, for the more skilled players.

    The delay between the start of an animation and the damage dealt at the moment of impact also exist in PvE, it's just it's unimportant so we tend to forget it. In PvP, knowing which skills have effect in 0.5s, 1s or 1.5s is important to burst (and maybe it shouldn't, that's an open question. For example, monk doing the right skills in the right order, the damage of 3-4 skills can happen nearly at the same moment. I wouldn't be surprised if FFXIV devs aren't even conscious of this as a parameter for job balance)
    My bad on the terms.
    I can't say much since I am just joining random groups so the rng on communication (and also didn't even realize there was a quick chat after 2 matches) so that was my experience with the burst stuff.
    And I think the devs know the Monk's delays, since they kept touching Tornado Kick's damage (1.6k to 2k and now 1.8k) and that takes a bit to come out and has 2 uses.
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  2. #32
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Cerberus
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Commander_Justitia View Post
    Why are you trolling? If you want matches just queue up.
    How is it 'trolling'? I've been queuing up as a melee DPS pretty much every evening since it began and have only seen a queue pop twice. Not during weird, early hours. During prime time.

    So I figured, why not try queuing as a ranged DPS or tank instead? Same effect.

    In each attempt, I waited 30-45 minutes before giving up and trying again later.

    The system is set up in such a way as to deter players who want to get involved.

    I've also PvP'd enough to grab all three Grand Company mounts from Frontline victories so please don't portray me as making stuff up. I want to get into Feast as well, but it has yet to happen.
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  3. #33
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    Mizuru Goh
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    Balmung
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    And I thought frontlines were a joke already.
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  4. #34
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    Commander_Justitia's Avatar
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    Pepe Laugh
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    Louisoix
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    How is it 'trolling'?
    Try harder.

    Or must be difficult to accept that what you heard from friends or reddit is not the truth. I really doubt you were for more than 5min in the queue if at all.
    You know why? There are streams bro, every day... People even stream unranked on your chaos DC, and they get dozend of games, every day. Season literally just started and you claim its dead.

    Also you can check if bronze and silver rankings move, those also count towards the unranked tier. https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...&dcgroup=Chaos

    You can see the activity, even if it only snapshots the top10 people with highest rating in those tiers.

    Sure if there are 10 range dps and tank in queue and only 1 healer and melee, you wait a game or two out until it is your turn, just like in PvE. Or you switch to the role in demand and get an instant duty.

    Some new people even think it is a fun mode, even if it is obvious that is has its problems. But you and others are just denying people their experience, by pushing your PvP is "dead/bad/everyone is cheater" narrative.
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  5. #35
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    Sky Ash
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Anhra View Post
    snip
    I'll bite in answer. If we look at Melee, you'll see:
    Ninja - Bite and run, because you need try to use Hide+TA for every possible burst
    Dragoon - dont have "burst" damage, but have really high pressure, so you always need harass people with damage. by some distance, because PT is good at distance
    Sam - build gauge and unleah it every 30 sec
    Monk - realy high burst every 15s, and VERY high every 30s.
    So if you try play on Monk as Dragoon, you gonna fail every game.
    Tanks: we have or mitigation, or healing on party, or damage. Or trash (hello drk). If you play on War as Pld, you gonna fail
    Healers : not gonna say much, whm supremacy
    RDD : Mch can be in Australia, while Brd and Dnc need be close to enemy.
    Casters: Well, 3 VERY different classes with their unique playstyle.

    So no, not similar at all. Only role skills
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  6. #36
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    Anhra Nefaris
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    Omega
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ashpd View Post
    I'll bite in answer. If we look at Melee, you'll see:
    Ninja - Bite and run, because you need try to use Hide+TA for every possible burst
    Dragoon - dont have "burst" damage, but have really high pressure, so you always need harass people with damage. by some distance, because PT is good at distance
    Sam - build gauge and unleah it every 30 sec
    Monk - realy high burst every 15s, and VERY high every 30s.
    So if you try play on Monk as Dragoon, you gonna fail every game.
    Tanks: we have or mitigation, or healing on party, or damage. Or trash (hello drk). If you play on War as Pld, you gonna fail
    Healers : not gonna say much, whm supremacy
    RDD : Mch can be in Australia, while Brd and Dnc need be close to enemy.
    Casters: Well, 3 VERY different classes with their unique playstyle.

    So no, not similar at all. Only role skills
    It still does not change the fact that Jobs have more similarities between each other, than they have not. I do agree on the melee dps part, since its the only "role" that is somewhat properly designed, but the rest? Pure garbage.
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