Serious note -Why so many toxic players lately?

[Roeshel]

And you acted/sounded like one and we weren't in the middle of a particularly large surge in players.

Can I not change habits or assessments due to changing conditions?

Would you like me to not notice that not only have the servers got players but there has been a very large increase in the posting people here as well?


Still not convinced you're not since this is your only contribution to this thread. I'm sure you're not a titanmen alt at least though.

Wow. Talk about being arrogant.

The great contribution to the thread:
Hello OP o/
I see you are from Exodus, maybe because you are in NA servers you are encountering more toxic players. I am from the EU and I haven't noticed a significant change. You can still run across some but it has always been like that.

Now, to get to the real point of my post.
Krotoan, it's okay to admit you made a mistake but I guess since you are too old and old people don't like admitting they were wrong you won't do that. I understand.

[Krotoan]

Wow. Talk about being arrogant.

The great contribution to the thread:
Hello OP o/
I see you are from Exodus, maybe because you are in NA servers you are encounter more toxic players. I am from the EU and I haven't noticed a significant change. You can still run across some but it has always been like that.

Now, to get to the real point of my post.
Krotoan, it's okay to admit you made a mistake but I guess since you are too old and old people don't like admitting they were wrong you won't do that. I understand.

I'm completely capable of admitting mistakes, I was in fact saying that I'm still on the fence as to whether you're contributory or an instigator.. but considering your response to a completely warranted observation that your ONLY contribution to this thread was to go "HAY REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID I WAS A TROLL HOWBOUT THAT?!?!"..

Leaning towards instigator.

so you ARE here just to insult me. That is troll behavior indeed. Noticing you think the old thing is an insult though. That is something young people fear so it's to be expected.

Not changing my perceptions any here.

[Roeshel]

Keep mincing words and proving my original assessment correct. I don't think you're doing this for any sort of constructive dialogue. My initial perception was pretty spot on and all you're doing is providing more and more evidence to support it.
The fact remains you self admittedly came into this discussion looking to get a response from me and not to contribute to the discussion.

I don't care what you call me: Old or Arrogant. I'm not here so people can like me or to farm favor.

I came into the discussion proving you wrong. Whether you view it as constructive or not is not my concern.

I did the same with another guy who diagnosed me with an existential crisis of control on my first thread. On another thread, he said he is working in the psych field to prove his point on an argument that was barely touching the main topic. And then I reminded him that he is a clown.

It is similar to the post I initially replied to. It actually is not connected with the topic at all. The one who started derailing from the thread discussion is you and I continued it.

I am literally holding myself back from accusing ALL the new people turning up on the forums who are necro-ing and posting hot-button topics.. because of the exact same reason we might be encountering more "rude" players..

There's a whole lot of new people incoming and that will mean even here =]

It's definitely a sad thing that one user is making us doubt anyone who isn't a "regular" but Dragonblanco here does not fit the pattern... and yeah.. I did check, I'll admit. Not just the one 80 war and magic class with 80 all crafters and the one man FC.

Nobody asked you if you are holding from accusing all new posters of being Titanmen alt. You didn't hold when I started posting here and I will point that out so that eventually if someone else who is new gets called out for being titanman alt they would know that it's not really their fault and that FFXIV's forum has some special breed of crazy lunatics.

[Krotoan]

I came into the discussion proving you wrong. Whether you view it as constructive or not is not my concern.

Proving me wrong about what? That I was not holding myself back at the time? I am not at all times doing exactly what I say I'm doing forever and always in the past. Do you?

I did the same with another guy who diagnosed me with an existential crisis of control on my first thread. On another thread, he said he is working in the psych field to prove his point on an argument that was barely touching the main topic. And then I reminded him that he is a clown.

Great, an aspiring forum truth moderator. Good luck with that. I hope your little gotchas fulfill you.

It is similar to the post I initially replied to. It actually is not connected with the topic at all. The one who started derailing from the thread discussion is you and I continued it.

You cut in with an irrelevant piece of information and attempted a gotcha. Don't try to deflect. You then revealed that the REAL reason you were here was to level accusatory and vindictive dredging of past posts up by posting condescending drivel.

Nobody asked you if you are holding from accusing all new posters of being Titanmen alt. You didn't hold when I started posting here and I will point that out so that eventually if someone else who is new gets called out for being titanman alt they would know that it's not really their fault and that FFXIV's forum has some special breed of crazy lunatics.

Someone mentioned they thought it was possibly one, I then contributed that I was doing my best to not assume that immediately. So while I did accuse you of being a troll.. I honestly don't remember if I accused you of being a troll alt.. there was no reason at the time to give extra leniency because of extra players incoming.. . But your particular way of "contributing" here is reminding me of what the post I likely replied to was like.


I didn't hold when you started posting here and now you want me to ask forgiveness or something? I had no reason to hold back judgment as I've stated several times. The ratio of troll to actual posters was quite high, although I'll say at the moment this week it's been pretty low unless ALL these new people are troll alts. The only suspicious activity I've seen is from a couple necro-post dredging no-lifes and some questionably contrarian newbies.

EDIT:
Ahh.. here we go:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...hem-afterwards


So I posted MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO:

You're planning to use parsing.. a known "don't ask don't tell" issue with SE, to report someone.


Please go ahead.


This new crop of trolls, playing the "by the book not by the spirit" rules sticklers is getting old.

Because not only were you posting about something with a seeming familiarity about a known hot button topic, but were doing it right in the middle of a rash of other trolls posting about parsing and getting people kicked by the letter of the law but not the spirit.

I could have been nicer. Yes. But I still am not beholden to the claim more than two months later that I am holding back currently against judging new entries because of the new influx of players being a recent occurrence.

You seemed a troll because you picked a lot of trollish positions and arguments. You continue to be obstinate and trying to find something to accuse me of or to find a failing in.



Troll or not, you aren't particularly someone I'd recommend discussing anything with. Quite vindictive and petty.

[Roeshel]

So I posted MORE THAN TWO MONTHS AGO:

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

Troll or not, you aren't particularly someone I'd recommend discussing anything with. Quite vindictive and petty.

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

[Krotoan]

Are two months considered that long ago? It's only time passing, it would still be the same thing if it happened yesterday. There has always been a constant influx of new players you just couldn't notice it.

Two months is longer than you can keep milk in the fridge, long enough to need another haircut, 4 paychecks, 2 mortgage payments, 2 Overwatch events. Yes, 2 months is considered a long time by lots of people. It would NOT be the same thing if it happened yesterday. Can you seriously consider what someone said they were doing two months ago to be binding to their behavior today? If I said two months ago (more mind you in my case) that I didn't want to eat watermelon and then today said I wanted to , would I have been lying or being facetious about it? If someone says something EVER do they have to stick to it forever regardless of changes in circumstance and information?

In those two months the subscribers to FFXIV have grown by nearly 2 million, compared to the preceding months where it was growing but not nearly at the same exponential rate.. so I would say it has been a notable difference in the recent growth rather than the steady growth from earlier. Enough that someone who plays and visits the forums regularly like myself might notice and factor it into decisions or observations.

Yes, I am when I decide to be, towards to people who deserve excessive vindictive criticism from me. And you are one of those. Though I wouldn't say that vindictive is the right word here. I interact with different people differently, in the way I feel like it.

Great, you be who are, that's very noble and all, but vindictive is a very appropriate word here. Take a look at the definition and you'll see. You wanted revenge and held on to it for two months for a forum comment. You were then willing to attack and try to "expose" someone who said something unpleasant to you and frame them as lying about something they never claimed to be an absolute value and which was contextual. As the famous disney movie sings: LET IT GO. Stress is bad for you and holding on to hate is poison.

And btw, people who are following someone else's recommendation for whom to have discussions with and with whom you shouldn't, are not really smart. You worded your sentence in a negative way, am I supposed to feel bad about not getting Krotoan's recommendations? I don't understand why?

I'm well aware you're unlikely to care what I think about you, I'm just summarizing.
If there was any sort of apology forthcoming it definitely wouldn't be after you decide to hold a grudge like that.


You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

[Roeshel]

You don't even know me and I'm betting you've done lasting damage to yourself through stress just thinking about me. I'm not worth this, nobody is.

No, I haven't. I just remember more stuff and a lot of details. People might think that I am wasting my time remembering excessive details but it helps me build a better understanding of the world in general.

If I get into the philosophical point of view two months are not always considered a lot of time by most people. It really depends on the context.

I am most definitely not holding grudges since I am not emotionally invested with you. You are just one of the curiosities I met when I came into this forum. A curiosity because the perception I was trying to project was very different from what you received so I wanted to know and understand the cause of the distortion. Not everyone needs to be holding grudges to remember past events. Some people are different than you.

Anyway, it is really odd for me when people say that wanting revenge and holding a grudge is a very bad thing to do. At what point does revenge become justice and justice becomes revenge. One of the main differences is that justice is rational, revenge is emotional. But when you are both emotional and rational what is it called or is the general understanding that emotions don't co-exist with logic? In my opinion, justice and revenge are the same thing with different labels which only serves to segregate the slightly different outcomes. Justice - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into a society, revenge - do smth bad on someone bad to establish order into to your own personal life. But because you can do the latter without exactly resorting to revenge then revenge all of a sudden becomes a bad thing and justice a good thing. Many structures of society are just silly. "Justice can do what revenge does but revenge can't do what justice does" is probably what people think because justice is a slightly more complicated structure that originates from revenge and requires the participation of more people but actually this is not really true in all cases. Regardless of how justice is perceived if you think that revenge is inherently bad or a wrong thing to do then you are indirectly saying that justice is wrong. A lot of people will not go to court if feelings of resentment and hatred were not driving their actions. They want revenge and people just paint it with the fancy word justice and make people associate the good type of revenge with the one which involves society. But if you dare to presume that you know better than society then you are one step away from "receiving justice" for disrupting the established order. This only encourages follower behaviour and as a result, it is common for people to not think with their own heads.