Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

[Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai]

And admittedly, all of the nay-saying I've been seeing seems to revolve around the idea that every class should be, I guess, the same? Which after there being so many jobs already for each role (and more being added in the near future), is something I don't really understand. If anything, I appreciate the idea of the unique structure to BLU because it allows for gameplay options that'll be completely out of the norm from the rest of the jobs.

Anyway, just wanted to toss in my 2 cents, meager as they are, lol. Even knowing that BLU is "limited", I'm still really, really looking forward to it and am making it a priority right after the holy trinity. ^_^

A lot of hate towards Blue Mage is based off of how it was really bad in 2019, and is no longer valid. The only valid Blue Mage haters, are the people that do not actually hate Blue Mage, and do not play Blue Mage for only the one reason of they had wanted to play Blue Mage in "current" content, which is ShadowBringers stuff, at the moment. The "limited" thing no longer means much... Blue Mage was fairly bad and heavily limited 2 and a half years ago.
At the moment, all that "limited" means is:
not allowed to use Duty Finder, because of how Blue Mage actions are different, as it would be a serious problem if a Blue Mage that has learned almost no spells at all queues into difficult activities, whether it be trolling or a less sinister reason.
not allowed to do MSQs, though I am not certain why this is even the case, as Blue Mage could be allowed to do ARR, HW, and SB MSQs, while still being locked out of Duty Finder and ShB MSQs... A lot of other Blue Mages speculate that the dev team does not want to go through the trouble of making MSQ Solo Duties able to handle a Blue Mage.
no access to ShadowBeingers, as the devs decided for some reason to have Blue Mage always be a little behind, such as we will go into ShadowBringers, some time after EndWalker release.
and Blue Mage is also not allowed into Deep Dungeons, the assumption is either balance issues or too many players complained about it, not allowed into Eureka, mostly likely due to implementation and balance issues, and not allowed into Ultimates, because a ton of players threw a fit over that and demanded it not be allowed.

these few things aside, Blue Mage has access to around 3/4ths of the game, that will be around 4/5ths some time next year, and the hate towards Blue Mage and its limitations are exaggerated. A lot of the hate is nonsense misconceptions and/or being petty, or the people that just wanted Blue Mage to have access to "current" content.

[MagiusNecros]

Blue Mage wouldn't be as terrible if I could just group up with preformed parties and could do roulettes with my MMO friends, and go into Eureka/PotD.

Not really a fan of being forced into all BLU parties. Very narrowminded thinking.

[Raikai]

A lot of hate towards Blue Mage is based off of how it was really bad in 2019, and is no longer valid. The only valid Blue Mage haters, are the people that do not actually hate Blue Mage, and do not play Blue Mage for only the one reason of they had wanted to play Blue Mage in "current" content, which is ShadowBringers stuff, at the moment. The "limited" thing no longer means much... Blue Mage was fairly bad and heavily limited 2 and a half years ago.
At the moment, all that "limited" means is:
not allowed to use Duty Finder, because of how Blue Mage actions are different, as it would be a serious problem if a Blue Mage that has learned almost no spells at all queues into difficult activities, whether it be trolling or a less sinister reason.
not allowed to do MSQs, though I am not certain why this is even the case, as Blue Mage could be allowed to do ARR, HW, and SB MSQs, while still being locked out of Duty Finder and ShB MSQs... A lot of other Blue Mages speculate that the dev team does not want to go through the trouble of making MSQ Solo Duties able to handle a Blue Mage.
no access to ShadowBeingers, as the devs decided for some reason to have Blue Mage always be a little behind, such as we will go into ShadowBringers, some time after EndWalker release.
and Blue Mage is also not allowed into Deep Dungeons, the assumption is either balance issues or too many players complained about it, not allowed into Eureka, mostly likely due to implementation and balance issues, and not allowed into Ultimates, because a ton of players threw a fit over that and demanded it not be allowed.

these few things aside, Blue Mage has access to around 3/4ths of the game, that will be around 4/5ths some time next year, and the hate towards Blue Mage and its limitations are exaggerated. A lot of the hate is nonsense misconceptions and/or being petty, or the people that just wanted Blue Mage to have access to "current" content.

I agree... Actually I think the wording "Limited" was quite an awful label, due to the way it reads. It's funny how is almost not even mentioned anywhere in game.

I wish I had more incentive to do Blue Mage things right now, but I don't.

I don't need Allied Seals, so doing the scripted Carnivale fights that I already did is pretty much meh. Something that would be amazing was if, for example, Crypt Twines could be exchanged by those Allied Seals, so you could partake in those side activities while contribuiting to your lv 80 gearing. A solo Blue Mage scoreboard for PotD would certainly make me try the challenge, also for the treasure too!

I hate when people say that I should just play it "for fun" when it comes to the rewards. I would honestly ask if they would play Savage if they had nothing but an achievement as a reward? Anyways, I love Blue Mage for what it is, and sans some QoL in the tanking role (mitigators I'm looking at you), the job is pretty fine!

[Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai]

Blue Mage wouldn't be as terrible if I could just group up with preformed parties and could do roulettes with my MMO friends, and go into Eureka/PotD.

Not really a fan of being forced into all BLU parties. Very narrowminded thinking.

The "forced" into a all Blue Mage party thing is only relevant to the Blue Mage log and Mightier Than The Achievements, though, and the only point of that is the extra reward from the former, while the latter tends to just be a pointless prestige thing, though I do comprehend the point of the look at what I was able to do and obtain prestige thing. outside of doing those two specific activities, I play as a Blue Mage with other subclasses often.

while on the other scale, I agree with the Deep Dungeons / Eureka thing, as I myself.. along with many other Blue Mages, want to do those activities as a Blue Mage, and the Blue Mage community has even theory-crafted ways to make it work, and how to resolve the reasons why other parts of the FFXIV community is against it, as well; so we know that it could function if the dev team attempted it, but it seems very likely that Squeenix will not allow the dev team to do stuff like that for Blue Mage...

Anyways, I love Blue Mage for what it is, and sans some QoL in the tanking role (mitigators I'm looking at you), the job is pretty fine!

There is always room for improvement, of course. I could vaunt Blue Mage with praise in one moment, and then insult it with complaints in the next moment, if I felt like it... I already love Blue Mage how it is, but I am also selfish and want Blue Mage to become what I would see as even better and improved. The question is just where to start... Whether improvements to its reputation, game content that Blue Mage can play in, improvements to Blue Mage actions, or even just QoL improvements, there is always some thing to improve.

[Raikai]

The "forced" into a all Blue Mage party thing is only relevant to the Blue Mage log and Mightier Than The Achievements, though, and the only point of that is the extra reward from the former, while the latter tends to just be a pointless prestige thing, though I do comprehend the point of the look at what I was able to do and obtain prestige thing. outside of doing those two specific activities, I play as a Blue Mage with other subclasses often.

while on the other scale, I agree with the Deep Dungeons / Eureka thing, as I myself.. along with many other Blue Mages, want to do those activities as a Blue Mage, and the Blue Mage community has even theory-crafted ways to make it work, and how to resolve the reasons why other parts of the FFXIV community is against it, as well; so we know that it could function if the dev team attempted it, but it seems very likely that Squeenix will not allow the dev team to do stuff like that for Blue Mage...



There is always room for improvement, of course. I could vaunt Blue Mage with praise in one moment, and then insult it with complaints in the next moment, if I felt like it... I already love Blue Mage how it is, but I am also selfish and want Blue Mage to become what I would see as even better and improved. The question is just where to start... Whether improvements to its reputation, game content that Blue Mage can play in, improvements to Blue Mage actions, or even just QoL improvements, there is always some thing to improve.

I've been wondering... The reason why Blue Mage can't access the current level content is because they can essentially break expansion-relevant fights with some spells (and not speaking about Death or Missile spells), which is totally understandable.

But what if the cap was the same as everyone else, but without able to join level 90 dungeons and raids? This way you would still have, for example, a job that does well in FATE farming, and you could dress your Blue Mage in level 90 caster gear too, and it would make more sense for the Masked Carnivale to reward things relevant to the level cap. I understand that the reason of them being always 1 expansion behind is an easy way to sort the group content gating, but at the same time, feels weird to have a job that can't be capped with all the rest.

They hinted heavily on a new deep dungeon for EW, so that would be a plus for Blue Mages at that level cap if they ever are allowed to get in those.