Ninja just ruins the feeling of Rogue

[Bright-Flower]

I do like ninja. The ninjitsu system in particular is a lot of fun. But, I get that it's a different feel from more traditional rogues, sine the game doesn't place much emphasis on stealth etc. Playing ninja doesn't feel like playing a rogue in WoW and I get that.

[Equitable_Remedy]

I was mistaken when I became a ninja

It's good to recognize our mistakes.

So, I'd recommend that you try finding the class that plays best for you, and I'll keep playing the class, ninja, that plays best for me

[silverdragontyr]

If you're thinking of switching to Monk just keep a few things in mind. It's fun but a little barebones at the moment, with skills that are very niche or virtually useless. Also there is a very good chance Mnk is getting a complete overhaul rebuild come Endwalker. It is the most melee combo/postional oriented class which can throw people off but if that's what you're looking for might be up your alley. Just be aware the entire class might play very different in six months.

[Rinhi]

Also there is a very good chance Mnk is getting a complete overhaul rebuild come Endwalker.

i've been reading this in some players but no one could ever link or show some proof of this happening aside from "a feeling"
do you have more information?

[MikkoAkure]

Some people have said that SE wasn't comfortable with the WoL being a rogue or a thief so it had to become a ninja but I don't know if there's any truth to that.

Yoshi P said in an interview that it was more due to lore because every class (not job) had a guild and it made no sense in the lore of the world for there to be a guild of open thieves. The existing rogues' guild are more rogues than thieves since they uphold the code of the city they're in and stop actual thieves. The fighting with the yellowjackets wasn't about a guild of thieves stealing stuff, it was over one specific yellowjacket wanting to remove all traces of piracy from Limsa Lominsa, including the rogues' guild since they are the force that traditionally kept the pirates in check.

i've been reading this in some players but no one could ever link or show some proof of this happening aside from "a feeling"
do you have more information?

The monk rework that was discussed by Yoshi P already happened in 5.4. The reason people think there's going to be one in 6.0 is the same reason people think there's going to be a SMN rework in 6.0: all of the patch changes to these jobs in the past expansion have felt like smaller steps or band-aids toward a larger MCH-style overhaul. We already know AST is getting another overhaul in 6.0 because its role is changing to make room for sage. Anything else at this point is speculation, but it's not exactly wild speculation. I'm sure we're going to find out more about job changes as we get closer to release and the media tour kicks off.

[silverdragontyr]

i've been reading this in some players but no one could ever link or show some proof of this happening aside from "a feeling"
do you have more information?

It's more indications. Monk has been kind of broken for a long time. The devs have admitted to this and not entirely sure what to do for it. The most recent fix to them was removing their core feature and some skill changes that ultimate feels like a band-aid. Most major reworks are saved for expansion releases. Then the most recent live letter one question was if any job was going to get a major rework. Yoshi-P said yes but couldn't say which yet and more info in September. Monk is one the jobs most in need a full rework. I've also heard Summoner as a possibly candidate for this but can't speak to Smn current state. So it's not so much as any one thing has been said but a lot of reading the room and inferring.

[FrogDog]

I agree so much. I would love to play something more like Thief but that little bit of identity has been completely devoured by NIN, and I honestly hate NIN's gameplay. It's a shame because I love a lot of the glams that end up being for scouting.

[Dyvid]

I've played lots of rogues(and their similar classes where applicable) over many games, a new player I thought I would enjoy rogue here in ff14.

I was mistaken when I became a ninja, gone was the thematic stabbery and subterfuge, now I am a battle caster akin to a mage, doing big explosions, lightning bolts, bursts of ice and misty waters. I didn't want to be a mage, I wanted a class with one or two daggers, that did things with those daggers, maybe got some dashing attacks, positionals, more ways to get into stealth in combat. I was really enjoying everything that rogue was doing up until I got to the 30's and ninja happened.

I understand from looking into the games history there was once thoughts of multiple jobs per class but that was dumped after a bad experience when trying to implement it on a mage class.

Now, instead of giving me a history lesson on why that can't be implemented, or that rogue becomes ninja in ff1, can someone please tell me which class is a lightly armored non mage, that doesn't do any magery, with fun positionals just a melee rotation to learn. If I can't trust rogue to not do magic I'm afraid to just blindly level something else hoping for a mechanic I will like.

Rogue was always meant to be a Ninja. But Monk might be more your style or possibly Samurai.

[Arkevorkhat]

thank you I'll look into those two then, I just was worried that pugilist/monk would have some sort of ki mini game like how ninja has ninjutsu (I'm not trashing the class or the mechanic, its just not for me)

Thankfully, there are just two jobs in the game (as of 5.57) that have this kind of minigame aspect, those being Ninja and Dancer, so looking at other jobs, I wouldn't be turned off by that aspect.

[HeyMcFly]

I'm reluctant to play NIN because I'd rather be a rogue / thief & not run with my arms behind my back.