Quote Originally Posted by Juzjuzz View Post
In the case of Noctis yes, i might be wrong. He has strong jaw x)
But what i wanted to say is : when i talk about someone androgynous i look at the shape of the face, without counting the hair, eyelashes or anything that can be changed.
A better example is Cloud : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr
And look at lightning : https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fi...path-prefix=fr

Guive to Cloud the same hair as Lightning, some makeup and he'll look very feminine. Yet with his current hair and absence of makeup he looks masculine.
Viera have the same type of face but have thick eyelashes by default that guive them a more feminine look without any chance of adjustment. With many of the haircuts being cute, achieving something similar as Cloud is more difficult. It's close sure, but when i tried with my character there are moments where he just looks really close to a girl :


I'm not saying viera shouldn't be girly, it's just a nice idea for ppl who want something closer to Squall or Cloud. I don't think it's something that breaks the lore or anything.
Even for the beard a more masculine face is needed, if it's too mutch on the girl side it will look weird. Unless you really want to have a girl with a beard, then it's ideal.
Well tbf, the majority of male characters within the FF universe are quite effeminate or androgynous, if you actually look at them & compare them to real life men- & not just male models, men in general. FF men have facial qualities most would associate with women such as slender noses, larger eyes, narrow / weaker jaw & chins, lack of facial or body hair, except for the rough wayward, messy- mullet, shag wearing types like Auron or Snow. Enix/Square soft had/has an ideal look and it's sort of a realistic anime/mannequin appearance from what I guess & why they mostly refrain from going for a realistic character profile, to keep a unique style? More cost effective? (I think they used real people's profiles for the FF 15 movie? and Squall was inspired from the late River Phoenix) Most FF characters are under 30, & have little to no evidence of male body hair & immaculate eyebrows that are always on fleek.
Also, I'm not ranting or pooping on anybody's thoughts & opinions, or putting anyone down- just pointing some details out!