Machinist needs help.

[Kurando]

Think MCH is alright at the moment, you know what you are getting with it, doesn't really get much simpler. I would however like to see an aoe version of Air Anchor, so you can generate battery when fighting mobs and also some kind of aoe Turret/Queen. I know I know, we used to have an aoe Turret back in the day but still would be nice, a lil rocket pod or something doing the aoe, just not the old static pulse effect.

[CKNovel]

Think MCH is alright at the moment, you know what you are getting with it, doesn't really get much simpler. I would however like to see an aoe version of Air Anchor, so you can generate battery when fighting mobs and also some kind of aoe Turret/Queen. I know I know, we used to have an aoe Turret back in the day but still would be nice, a lil rocket pod or something doing the aoe, just not the old static pulse effect.

Problem with "AoE version" is that you can simply add AoE damage to the skill itself and nothing changes. In fact it shaves buttons.
It goes for everything, SAM had an AoE attack and it wasn't a problem, no one asked for a single target version.

MCH is alright and that's the problem. It's only "Alright" and risk to remains "Alright". When you come from HW or SB MCH, the job just lacks buttons.
You have 12 buttons to press as MCH for single target rotation.
As for SAM, 14 buttons not taking in account the dashout/dashin and third eye. DRG has 17 buttons.
GNB, a tank has 13 buttons and that's not taking in account the mitigation. Ranged don't have many mitigation anyway.

11 buttons as PLD for you DPS rotation, 9 for War, 12 buttons as DRK.

I have no idea for DNC and BRD, but it's ridiculous that the rotation is at the level of a tank and you don't have mitigation or melee range, just fast speed.
On top of that, many abilities are automated. Wildfire is automated, Queen is automated, Flamethrower is use and don't move for 10s, aka automated.
And again on top of all that, MCH has ONE utility button.
Let's be real there, MCH is a subjob.

[Aiscence]

Problem with "AoE version" is that you can simply add AoE damage to the skill itself and nothing changes. In fact it shaves buttons.
It goes for everything, SAM had an AoE attack and it wasn't a problem, no one asked for a single target version.

MCH is alright and that's the problem. It's only "Alright" and risk to remains "Alright". When you come from HW or SB MCH, the job just lacks buttons.
You have 12 buttons to press as MCH for single target rotation.
As for SAM, 14 buttons not taking in account the dashout/dashin and third eye. DRG has 17 buttons.
GNB, a tank has 13 buttons and that's not taking in account the mitigation. Ranged don't have many mitigation anyway.

11 buttons as PLD for you DPS rotation, 9 for War, 12 buttons as DRK.

I have no idea for DNC and BRD, but it's ridiculous that the rotation is at the level of a tank and you don't have mitigation or melee range, just fast speed.
On top of that, many abilities are automated. Wildfire is automated, Queen is automated, Flamethrower is use and don't move for 10s, aka automated.
And again on top of all that, MCH has ONE utility button.
Let's be real there, MCH is a subjob.

Can't like this post enough. I would do anything to get some depth again, and not the one 220 potency (yes it's 1.50gcd with ogcd weaving but...) button mashing numbing machine that it is right now. Even with the +20 potency, that's 10 potency under bard's burst shot, and he can spam its own 150 pot gcd between too :^).

Half troll aside, there is no more decision making, most buttons were outed, we have so many aoe skills but they are clunky/pointless, our """"big""""" cd's are fire and forget and don't aoe, etc.

But who am I kidding, we all know casuals really like it now, so they will just please them in EW and at best, we'll only get upgrades again like from 70 to 80.

[ReiganCross]

I have no idea for DNC and BRD, but it's ridiculous that the rotation is at the level of a tank and you don't have mitigation or melee range, just fast speed.
On top of that, many abilities are automated. Wildfire is automated, Queen is automated, Flamethrower is use and don't move for 10s, aka automated.

Yeah, I feel like actually giving us something to do aside from spamming buttons on a tight buff window would be for the best. The most iconic part of the job, having a big mech with a drill on its shoulder, can't just be a single button you get to press when you have enough gauge, where most of it's depth is getting around the pet jank of it taking 5 years to summon and hoping to position him far away that he gets to do the close-in attack a lot. Hell, you don't even need to pay attention to the finisher, it just does it by itself.

I heard YoshiP call MCH a pet class once when referring to what they would do to SMN. Hell, if THIS is what counts as a Pet class, then DRK is just as much as a Pet class then we MCH are. At least AST needs to tell its giant bomb to explode before things move away from it (Although he can just let it blow up by itself if the targets are just going to sit there anyways.)

I would really appreciate to always have a Queen out and using battery gauge to give her, and myself, some buffing windows or something. Maybe just let me use battery for the finisher and have her just be there. Right now she's just a flashy DoT!

[Jirah]

Yeah, I feel like actually giving us something to do aside from spamming buttons on a tight buff window would be for the best. The most iconic part of the job, having a big mech with a drill on its shoulder, can't just be a single button you get to press when you have enough gauge, where most of it's depth is getting around the pet jank of it taking 5 years to summon and hoping to position him far away that he gets to do the close-in attack a lot. Hell, you don't even need to pay attention to the finisher, it just does it by itself.

I heard YoshiP call MCH a pet class once when referring to what they would do to SMN. Hell, if THIS is what counts as a Pet class, then DRK is just as much as a Pet class then we MCH are. At least AST needs to tell its giant bomb to explode before things move away from it (Although he can just let it blow up by itself if the targets are just going to sit there anyways.)

I would really appreciate to always have a Queen out and using battery gauge to give her, and myself, some buffing windows or something. Maybe just let me use battery for the finisher and have her just be there. Right now she's just a flashy DoT!

I prefer bishop and rooks old style in 4.0 similar but not really that identical to how SMN relationships with egi. In 5.0 how SMN differs from MCh is that it has multiple pets, and they compliment SMN kit with Ruin IV can be used in both aoe and ST scenarios! MCH only has one thats a shallow build up skill and nothing more

4.0 Rook could debuff and explode on command and was appart of the MCH burst phase due to wildfire old system. Now the tether is cut and its just a bland dot that looks cool