So, a lottery system and a divide between FC and solo wards, eh?

[Sotaris]

Never.



You only hate them because my suggestions screw over the land barons that you worship and adore.

Hmm I wonder why you didn't bother to quote the whole comment I made.

Your suggestion would screw everyone over, even the top 1% you claim you're trying to stop with these idiotic suggestions.
Also since when I have I worshipped and adored anyone?

And you wonder why you're so disliked in this forum.

[NanaWiloh]

Hmm I wonder why you didn't bother to quote the whole comment I made.

Your suggestion would screw everyone over, even the top 1% you claim you're trying to stop with these idiotic suggestions.
Also since when I have I worshipped and adored anyone?

And you wonder why you're so disliked in this forum.

I don't think she is aware of the main reason why people take issue with her.

[Nepentha]

No, but it makes it harder (mechanically) to maintain the ward of FCs, while largely being invisible to the average person. There's plenty of other MMOs that have housing systems that don't screw over the players this badly that have rent. Given how badly SE has screwed up housing, maybe it's time to start bringing in some of the mechanics that people on this forum hate (likely because it would be invisible to the average player but screw them over) because those mechanics may actually help solve the issue.

Harder for who? Not for the housing hoarders. They'll make back whatever they pay in rent easily, and then some. How would it make them stand out? Because the rest of the playerbase would be unable to keep up with it so anyone who actually has a house and can pay the rent is some mythical unicorn suddenly?

I don't care that other games are charging rent fees (and the only ones I know of are LotRO and EQ, none of the current big name MMOs do). This is FFXIV, not them.

Your ideas are never thought out. Your grandiose solution to a problem is taking a sledge hammer to it, no matter who gets hurt when it comes down. Placard clicking is an example of this. Your wonderful idea turned out to be a nightmare by turning players into rats in a variable ratio experiment and helping a growing placard bot underground to flourish. And those people you thought it would hurt? Laughed the whole time all the way to the gil bank.

Think before you type. Rather than grind your teeth at the idea of some housing hoarder or reseller getting away with owning their houses, consider how useful a solution really is. Sticking it to a marginal group of people should not be greater than the desire to actually come up with lasting, beneficial change.

[Almagnus1]

Until you answer those questions far as I am concerned your a waste of forum space. If you are going to make suggestions then you better have the brass to address concerns which you clearly lack.

When all of your questions can be addressed as "I need more information about what SE is going to do before I can give you an actual answer" and I have stated such numerous times over the course of a thread.... why should I have to keep repeating the obvious to someone that isn't getting it?

Hmm I wonder why you didn't bother to quote the whole comment I made.

Your suggestion would screw everyone over, even the top 1% you claim you're trying to stop with these idiotic suggestions.
Also since when I have I worshipped and adored anyone?

And you wonder why you're so disliked in this forum.

Tbh, I want to see alternative mechanics so we can delete all the timers related to the housing system from the game. While we all acknowledge that the flip timer is bad...

The auto-demo timer would be a good mechanic if SE stopped pausing the stupid thing - which renders the auto-demo mechanic basically useless. We need to implement an alternative way to the auto-demolition timer and an upkeep mechanic would do just that (provided the house is demo'd once a week goes by that upkeep wasn't paid). Additionally, as the upkeep should be handled through the placard for the house, that means that you can definitely take a break from the game for as long as you need to and still keep your house provided you have made arrangements for someone to keep paying for it. For example, you have an FC mate with a house that just got deployed, and they know they're going to be touch and go for a couple of months, they can have another FC mate (or their spouse) pay the upkeep while they are unable to play, and they will be able to return to their house once they are back to a more normal life with however many months that may take - which is something you can't really do with the auto-demo timer AFAIK.

While I thought I didn't need to explain money management, by turning an asset into a liability (in other words, by attaching a perpetual cost to a house in terms of upkeep) it's going to make a lot of the people holding large swaths of land question if they want to retain those properties, or if they should unload them because what was an asset is now a fiscal liability. Those good with money are going to see this, run the numbers, and reevaluate whether or not they want to continue to hold land, or if they should unload them. That means we're likely to see houses released because they realized it was no longer worth it to retain the house and would make more sense to cut their losses and liquidate the assets rather than retain them simply by attaching an upkeep to the house.

[Almagnus1]

Harder for who? Not for the housing hoarders. They'll make back whatever they pay in rent easily, and then some. How would it make them stand out? Because the rest of the playerbase would be unable to keep up with it so anyone who actually has a house and can pay the rent is some mythical unicorn suddenly?

I don't care that other games are charging rent fees (and the only ones I know of are LotRO and EQ, none of the current big name MMOs do). This is FFXIV, not them.

Your ideas are never thought out. Your grandiose solution to a problem is taking a sledge hammer to it, no matter who gets hurt when it comes down. Placard clicking is an example of this. Your wonderful idea turned out to be a nightmare by turning players into rats in a variable ratio experiment and helping a growing placard bot underground to flourish. And those people you thought it would hurt? Laughed the whole time all the way to the gil bank.

Think before you type. Rather than grind your teeth at the idea of some housing hoarder or reseller getting away with owning their houses, consider how useful a solution really is. Sticking it to a marginal group of people should not be greater than the desire to actually come up with lasting, beneficial change.

And it's really easy to just copy-pasta that without thinking of a different alternative because you see the FFXIV housing system and go:

[Nepentha]

The auto-demo timer would be a good mechanic if SE stopped pausing the stupid thing which renders the auto-demo mechanic basically useless.

They do this when there's a reason that would make it so players cannot log in to check on their houses. Natural disasters, pandemics, the sort of things that happen in life where SE would rather players worry about real life than a house on a game. I think it's very kind of them to do that. I'm not sure why you think it's ok for demos to continue during such events.

We need to implement an alternative way to the auto-demolition timer and an upkeep mechanic would do just that (provided the house is demo'd once a week goes by that upkeep wasn't paid). Additionally, as the upkeep should be handled through the placard for the house, that means that you can definitely take a break from the game for as long as you need to and still keep your house provided you have made arrangements for someone to keep paying for it. For example, you have an FC mate with a house that just got deployed, and they know they're going to be touch and go for a couple of months, they can have another FC mate (or their spouse) pay the upkeep while they are unable to play, and they will be able to return to their house once they are back to a more normal life with however many months that may take - which is something you can't really do with the auto-demo timer AFAIK.

I'd agree with you on this. Except no demo timer and no rent to be paid. Just allow a tenant to run through the house to keep it from auto demoing, which is the same for FCs atm.

While I thought I didn't need to explain money management, by turning an asset into a liability (in other words, by attaching a perpetual cost to a house in terms of upkeep) it's going to make a lot of the people holding large swaths of land question if they want to retain those properties, or if they should unload them because what was an asset is now a fiscal liability.

I wish I could stop explaining to you that this just isn't going to work. Land barons have billions on hand. Literal billions. I've interviewed a few of them for posterity and curiosity. This idea of yours wouldn't stop them at all. But it would def punish regular players who just want A House. And then something happens like the get COVID and end up in the hospital or a hurricane rips through their state and they don't have internet access for awhile and their house is gone just like that because they cannot pay the weekly rent. And god forbid SE take these events into consideration and halt the demo timer for a little while.

[Nepentha]

And it's really easy to just copy-pasta that without thinking of a different alternative because you see the FFXIV housing system and go:

No, my dear, I see the current housing situation and I say 'Hmm, how can we make this better for everyone.' While you look at it and say 'How can I punish people for doing things I don't like.'

[Almagnus1]

They do this when there's a reason that would make it so players cannot log in to check on their houses. Natural disasters, pandemics, the sort of things that happen in life where SE would rather players worry about real life than a house on a game. I think it's very kind of them to do that. I'm not sure why you think it's ok for demos to continue during such events.

SE has paused the timer in the US for a tsunami in Japan. Events that affect one region should not affect ALL regions, and this uneven pausing of the timer completely halts the release of houses and only further exacerbates the supply problems.

And then something happens like the get COVID and end up in the hospital or a hurricane rips through their state and they don't have internet access for awhile and their house is gone just like that because they cannot pay the weekly rent. And god forbid SE take these events into consideration and halt the demo timer for a little while.

If you are able to bank a couple of months' upkeep (like 2-3 months) you will not be out of commission for long enough that you can't use your phone and reach out to someone on discord, or through some other means. Most people aren't that disconnected from their FCs, and I would imagine that if a disaster like that happened, that the FFXIV and/or TheBalance discord servers would have a section for people to list their properties and be able to help out with the upkeep.

I fail to see how this punishes regular players, except for the imaginary "regular player" that exists only in your head.

No, my dear, I see the current housing situation and I say 'Hmm, how can we make this better for everyone.' While you look at it and say 'How can I punish people for doing things I don't like.'

Did it ever occur to you that the two aren't mutually exclusive? The system will become better for everyone by punishing those exploiting it and stopping futher exploits from occurring. This is a bit like a bot author advocating everyone to bot when the reality is that botting should never be allowed to occur and all instances of players using bots should be permabanned.

[Nepentha]

SE has paused the timer in the US for a tsunami in Japan. Events that affect one region should not affect ALL regions, and this uneven pausing of the timer completely halts the release of houses and only further exacerbates the supply problems.

God forbid anyone play on NA or EU servers if they live in JP then, rip for their houses.

If you are able to bank a couple of months' upkeep (like 2-3 months) you will not be out of commission for long enough that you can't use your phone and reach out to someone on discord, or through some other means. Most people aren't that disconnected from their FCs, and I would imagine that if a disaster like that happened, that the FFXIV and/or TheBalance discord servers would have a section for people to list their properties and be able to help out with the upkeep.

I fail to see how this punishes regular players, except for the imaginary "regular player" that exists only in your head.

Would if you could only think outside your very one dimensional box. There is not one universal experience for everyone. You act as if everyone has and uses Discord. You act as if everyone has big FC and friends groups who wouldn't be affected and therefore able to help. Your desire to punish rather than rehabilitate clouds your vision.

Did it ever occur to you that the two aren't mutually exclusive? The system will become better for everyone by punishing those exploiting it and stopping futher exploits from occurring. This is a bit like a bot author advocating everyone to bot when the reality is that botting should never be allowed to occur and all instances of players using bots should be permabanned.

Does nuance mean nothing to you? This is what I said before, you just want to sledge hammer everything. To bankrupt land barons and make them rethink ownership you would have to charge something ridiculous like 400k a day in rent. Is that what you want?

Again: Think before you type. Come up with an idea that doesn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[Vahlnir]

And it's really easy to just copy-pasta that without thinking of a different alternative because you see the FFXIV housing system and go:

That picture accurately depicts your housing "fixes". Pot, meet kettle.