Please Make this the Best MMO

[DrWho2010]

sounds like someone doesn't know how netcode works or game balance.

fast travel will always be preferred over "slow" travel.

[Rohen]

sounds like someone doesn't know how netcode works or game balance.

fast travel will always be preferred over "slow" travel.

Hey there toxic first responder, your points are invalid, they can still balance the game nicely and the travel I'm suggesting will still be fast travel. Also the very use of the word "netcode" makes me thing you don't even know what "netcode" really is.

As I've very clearly stated, if you would have read, I am not arguing against fast travel, I'm arguing over the reason of why we can fast travel.

[LittleArrow]

Hey there toxic first responder, your points are invalid, they can still balance the game nicely and the travel I'm suggesting will still be fast travel. Also the very use of the word "netcode" makes me thing you don't even know what "netcode" really is.

As I've very clearly stated, if you would have read, I am not arguing against fast travel, I'm arguing over the reason of why we can fast travel.

But he isn't toxic, he's just stating a point. Of course back in the day when we first started playing MMO's it was different. It was a different era. I came from FFXI, and if you know anything about XI, you know that game was b.r.u.t.a.l. to the player. I thought I craved that incredible mysterious world that was so terrifying and soul crushing (de-lvling/losing xp upon death = literal RL days lost). However, going back and watching videos, there's just no way I'd go back to that.

Perhaps you're not wearing nostalgia goggles like I was, but everything spoke here in opposition to your suggestions is overwhelmingly the majority. The convenience over the immersion is just incredibly valuable to our RL time. I'm not 16 anymore. I'm 35 with two small kids, a husband, full time job, and I'm thankful that Yoshi values me as a player still, even though I can't sink 10+ hours per day in this game to get anywhere.

The forums are for suggestions, and of course you should make your desires known and maybe the dev team will take some of them and give some content for those old school MMO players. However, please, if at all possible, try not to just label people who have a concise criticism to your requests. They have just as much merit as you, and they're not toxic.

I would strongly suggest you seek out games that are still up and going that totally cater specifically to you. EQ, EQ2, XI, Classic WoW, and many more MMO's are out there waiting for you to jump in and enjoy that old school feel.

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[Lauront]

@OP I agree with several of your points. However, you're best off looking into a game like Pantheon or Ashes of Creation if you're looking for a more classic type of MMO. Pantheon's design philosophy in particular aligns to a lot of the points you mention.

I'm keeping a close eye on those and a few others (e.g. Riot's future MMO, Blue Protocol.) Unfortunately, it is a waiting game for these to release and see if they do well.

I have to agree that when it comes to ability design and creativity, compared to WoW, this is a little on the tepid side. As much as I like BLM, WoW's mage has many more fun abilities and utility spells, and you can also get a better sense of how the class functions in combat, with illusions, snares, etc. to fend off adversaries.

sounds like someone doesn't know how netcode works

Or doesn't, given how badly this game has implemented it.

Huh what. Not sure why you are saying that. Why is this a "bait thread" ?

There's several trolls on here making similar threads, and in addition, some people think any criticism of the game is "trolling", particularly when it comes down to design preferences. I wouldn't pay much heed to it.

[Rohen]

@OP I agree with several of your points. However, you're best off looking into a game like Pantheon or Ashes of Creation if you're looking for a more classic type of MMO. Pantheon's design philosophy in particular aligns to a lot of the points you mention.

I'm keeping a close eye on those and a few others (e.g. Riot's future MMO, Blue Protocol.)

I have to agree that when it comes to ability design and creativity, compared to WoW, this is a little on the tepid side. As much as I like BLM, WoW's mage has many more fun abilities and utility spells, and you can also get a better sense of how the class functions in combat, with illusions, snares, etc. to fend off adversaries

Yes glad you agree on some of my points. I really wish they would be a bit adventurous with game design and give us better abilities, more fun, rewarding, useful abilities. I'm also keeping a close eye on Pantheon and it was looking really great but sadly it's still in some alpha or beta stage with no word on the release last I checked. So of all the current and soon to be released MMOs I think this has the most potential, which is why I'm taking the time to post about it and hopefully something might get picked up and worked on.

There's several trolls on here making similar threads, and in addition, some people think any criticism of the game is "trolling", I wouldn't pay much heed to it.

Hehe gotcha thanks for the heads up man (or woman)

[Lauront]

Yes glad you agree on some of my points. I really wish they would be a bit adventurous with game design and give us better abilities, more fun, rewarding, useful abilities. I'm also keeping a close eye on Pantheon and it was looking really great but sadly it's still in some alpha or beta stage with no word on the release last I checked. So of all the current and soon to be released MMOs I think this has the most potential, which is why I'm taking the time to post about it and hopefully something might get picked up and worked on.

A pre-alpha. The game is at least a few years off, arguably the longest off of any of the games I mentioned... but also the one I am most looking forward to based on what I am hearing from the devs. It underwent a rocky development history and shifted course a couple of years ago, so it should be smoother sailing now.

Hehe gotcha thanks for the heads up man (or woman)

It's the first of those.

[Rohen]

A pre-alpha. The game is at least a few years off, arguably the longest off of any of the games I mentioned... but also the one I am most looking forward to based on what I am hearing from the devs. It underwent a rocky development history and shifted course a couple of years ago, so it should be smoother sailing now.

Yea they really sold me on this game when they introduced it, but it's a long ways off... I wish more game developers took their example but I think we're the minority hehe. I'll gladly pay a higher monthly subscription for something like that today!