Open World PvP

[Jojoya]

My only problem with world PvP, is that if it is ever implemented, Devs feel tempted to make it mandatory in some way, either being part of MSQ, Relic gear or PVE progression of any kind.

Beyond that, sure, go ahead. As long as players are not forced to participate in it for PvE rewards, then be my guest.

I don't agree that the devs here would try to make it a mandatory part of PvE progress. They're not the WoW devs.

Here side content pretty much remains side content, optional to do depending on what you want to accomplish. The only reason Crystal Tower had to be moved to mandatory for MSQ was because of what happens at the very end of 5.3. Up until that event, players who hadn't gone into CT wouldn't have a problem enjoying the Shadowbringers story.

I still don't understand why Return to Ivalice was required for Save the Queen, though. I haven't completed Save the Queen yet but the Ivalice story isn't relevant to understanding what I've seen so far. From what little I've read on how Save the Queen concludes, it still doesn't seem to be relevant to understand the story anyway other than a certain character from Ivalice reappearing toward then end? That's not a problem, new characters get introduced all the time. They could have put in a "I remember you" easter egg dialog line for players who did Ivalice and left it at that.

[SniperCT]

I'm starting to get the picture of what open world pvp would look like. I don't have any thoughts to give for that. I need game recommendations in order to experience it.

Implementing this whether instance or opened or even creating a special server for it out of the tens of servers we have will get some attention before ending up becoming like unranked feast and rival wings: on life support.

Your only pvp mode that can pop on its own usually has complaints echoing that pvp is only used for gaining xp, and oddly enough a few people are starting to be okay with afk players staying in games since results don't matter to begin with.

SE should think about improving pvp in some way before asking for something new like this.

I've played a number of games with open world PvP(wow, bdo, archage,swg and others). It's 10% really interesting and cool fights, and 90% being ganked/camped repeatedly without having any kind of chance to defend myself and/or not being on equal footing with my opponent. Tried War Mode in WoW for a couple of days and turned it off. I was on an RP server back in vanilla and actually voluntarily made myself perma-flagged and was rarely ganked (most fights were very honorable), but stopped after the first expansion as most of the people who'd made it fun left and the ganking went through the roof. The general level of ... how people interacted and talked about and to each other also went into the sewer. (and is in the sewer in those other games I mentioned)

SWG actually had a nice mechanic where you could make yourself covert or overt, basically a complicated flagging system, but most fights in that game boiled down to one side overwhelming the other and the novelty wearing off very quickly.

BASICALLY other players ruined world pvp in games for me and I'd really rather not see that mentality come to FF14.

[VelKallor]

BASICALLY other players ruined world pvp in games for me and I'd really rather not see that mentality come to FF14.

it wont. Ever.

[Caurcas]

it wont. Ever.

Moshi moshi, Yoshi P?

[Anhra]

I'm starting to get the picture of what open world pvp would look like. I don't have any thoughts to give for that. I need game recommendations in order to experience it.

I recomment watching some PK videos from Tera Online, since that game is similar to FFXIV on the gameplay side. Do be warned that pretty much any PK video has edgy music playing on the side since it is kind of a tradition to do so.

[Eldevern]

From what I know, the most populated PVP map was 24v24v24. And since they changed the PVP roulette, at least in my experience, queues take longer. I hardly imagine they add "Open World PVP" maps since duel and small scale PVP doesn't look that popular.

In one of his last interview, Y-P use the word "casual" and "Small Scale", he also talk about PVP as a "niche" content, it's pretty unlikely "Open World PVP" to occure.

[Anhra]

From what I know, the most populated PVP map was 24v24v24. And since they changed the PVP roulette, at least in my experience, queues take longer. I hardly imagine they add "Open World PVP" maps since duel and small scale PVP doesn't look that popular.

In one of his last interview, Y-P use the word "casual" and "Small Scale", he also talk about PVP as a "niche" content, it's pretty unlikely "Open World PVP" to occure.

From the way i see it, this only proves how little he understands what PvP is actually about. PvP in MMORPGs is NOT casual content by nature. If you want a casual experience in that direction, you might as well play League of Legends or Doter 2.

The good thing about having a properly functioning PvP system is that it allows you to design Classes in a way that feel unique from one another, since under normal circumstances, MMOs design their classes to function in both PvE and PvP content alike. If i had to guess, Squeenix tried to just take the easyroad on this and shot themselves in the foot for doing so, and now that the wound is actually infected, since it has been left to rot for 2 expansions now, i doubt they will treat it at all. might as well cut off the whole leg and straight up tell people that this game doesnt support PvP (honestly tho, i wouldnt like this to happen.)

[Eldevern]

...

He has more experience than that. All PVP MMORPG I know either are niche games or end with a majority of PVE servers. They will not spend money to make FFXIV Open World PVP. They will not make more money, on the opposite, they could lose a lot of players who play FFXIV BECAUSE there's not Open World PVP. He's absolutly aware of this reality.

He's probably aware of the huge success of Fortnite. Then if I had to guess/bet a direction, I would rather go to this.

[GrimGale]

I don't agree that the devs here would try to make it a mandatory part of PvE progress. They're not the WoW devs.

Here side content pretty much remains side content, optional to do depending on what you want to accomplish.

Devs in FFXIV make it so side content tends to become mandatory for certainn things in order to ensure a steady flow of players to fill that old content. We've seen this with the relic steps, making us go to Ivalice raids, level 60 dungeons and the like.

That's the thing, considering how unpopular PvP is in this game, if Devs implement an open world PvP system that doesn't attract too many players naturally and then PvPers complain nobody wants to play with them, devs might be tempted to give this WPvP content the same treatment in order to boost its numbers.

And I really don't want to be forced to do it over and over because suddenly it's the fastest way to get those 20 relic thingies that drop a 100%.

[Anhra]

He has more experience than that. All PVP MMORPG I know either are niche games or end with a majority of PVE servers. They will not spend money to make FFXIV Open World PVP. They will not make more money, on the opposite, they could lose a lot of players who play FFXIV BECAUSE there's not Open World PVP. He's absolutly aware of this reality.

They make more than enough Money with Subs and Mogstation alone (especially with the Limsa fantasia addicts). Keeping PvP alive and entertaining has only benefits, since there is a good amount of People out there, that crave for a good PvP Server that has open world PK.

Also, You, me and anyone else here is paying 12,99 each Month for this game, at least let it have a properly working PvP Mode and Jobdesigns that are worth the salt. Free2Play MMOs are doing a better job at this than Squeenix does.