The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

[Yeol]

Then why are you, a person inside FFXIV, accepting that generalization and running with it instead of simply addressing the specific people in question while still encouraging the broader community to not act that way?

That's what's so strange about this whole thing. People who claim to be against toxic elements of the community are doing it by making blanket statements that would just feed into any stereotypes that can be held by people outside of the community.

I’m not accepting the behavior nor defending it. I’m merely explaining how bad behavior, even if it was from minorities of the community, can easily outweigh the good behavior of the rest of the community. Hence why in my original comment I stated “bad actions speak louder than good ones.”

There is nothing ‘we’ the normal players can do to ease the situation. If we speak up and defend our community, we’ll just come out as white knights. People will disregard anything we say.

Best we can do is ignore the situation and behave in a good way. If we are good as we claim to be, the truth will come out eventually. New player experience, content creators' voices can and hopefully will give a better representation of the FFXIV community.

This is why Asmon is trying the game in the first place. A lot of WoW content creators are praising it and its community. We just need to chill. Things will settle down and go back to normal after the hype goes down.

[linayar]

Of course everyone has different experiences and sure only time will tell but I do feel if other WoW streamers especially members of OTK do try FFXIV the climate within game will go up in temperature just due to the more transparent nature WoW streamers tend to be regarding their opinions.

In the end it will be interesting if he does stick around and others follow to see how SE will handle such a dynamic between larger streamers and the perception especially in the west. Cause to my knowledge FFXIV has never really had a major presence on streaming platforms and if Asmon does keep playing and can maintain his viewership but keeps his persona from WoW while raiding it will be interesting to see how SE handles that dynamic, and how it will impact prospective players.

I cannot wait to see him stream ultimates. As mentioned though I do think the perception of the community will be skewed depending on if other WoW streamers try FFXIV since it will cause to a degree a personality shift with what the traditional FFXIV streamer. Sure we have mire transparent FFXIV streamers but their number pale in comparison and will be interesting to see if he can maintain their viewership.

The ToS doesn't change just because any specific person decides to start playing FFXIV. So anyone who can follow the ToS can and should feel free to play the game.

What also makes it interesting is because take MrHappy he use to act somewhat akin to what many would view a WoW streamer to be but he choose to clean up his act after some drama. A part of me just thinks if Asmon runs his ffxiv raids like he does his classic raids it will put SE in a weird spot cause more or less he does what Arthus and Xeon have done but on a much larger scale.

If true about Happy, it just shows that people can change. Asmongold himself has said he's not the same as he used to be in the past. Spend more time in FFXIV and maybe Asmongold can change even more unless he isolates himself.

I’m not accepting the behavior nor defending it.

What does this mean?

I’m merely explaining how bad behavior, even if it was from minorities of the community, can easily outweigh the good behavior of the rest of the community. Hence why in my original comment I stated “bad actions speak louder than good ones.”

There is nothing ‘we’ the normal players can do to ease the situation. If we speak up and defend our community, we’ll just come out as white knights. People will disregard anything we say.

Best we can do is ignore the situation and behave in a good way. If we are good as we claim to be, the truth will come out eventually. New player experience, content creators' voices can and hopefully will give a better representation of the FFXIV community.

This is why Asmon is trying the game in the first place. A lot of WoW content creators are praising it and its community. We just need to chill. Things will settle down and go back to normal after the hype goes down.

So, once again, you've accepted that people will just see you as a white knight and will disregard any defense you may make on behalf of the community. Keep in mind that defending the community does not mean defending the actual people who are behaving badly.

I'd be happy to ignore the situation if people didn't make a big deal out of it. So since it's a big deal to some people, why not address it in our own small ways? If you do want to ignore it, then there was no point in giving any explanation in the first place.

This forum, in particular, is a place where FFXIV players can discuss with each other. So anti-FFXIV generalizations are the last thing that needed an explanation, especially from an outside perspective, if, in the end, your only suggestion is to ignore it.

[Awha]

The ToS doesn't change just because any specific person decides to start playing FFXIV. So anyone who can follow the ToS can and should feel free to play the game.

If true about Happy, it just shows that people can change. Asmongold himself has said he's not the same as he used to be in the past. Spend more time in FFXIV and maybe Asmongold can change even more unless he isolates himself.

What does this mean?

So, once again, you've accepted that people will just see you as a white knight and will disregard any defense you may make on behalf of the community. Keep in mind that defending the community does not mean defending the actual people who are behaving badly.

I'd be happy to ignore the situation if people didn't make a big deal out of it. So since it's a big deal to some people, why not address it in our own small ways? If you do want to ignore it, then there was no point in giving any explanation in the first place.

This forum, in particular, is a place where FFXIV players can discuss with each other. So anti-FFXIV generalizations are the last thing that needed an explanation, especially from an outside perspective, if, in the end, your only suggestion is to ignore it.

The reality is the ToS does not change but the question is from a marketing PoV would it be wise to ban the top streamer of your game that is the sole reason behind reaching the top on twitch? It will be interesting to see how SE especially their marketing team handles this potential issue. Granted this is based around if they keep the same persona from WoW raiding into FFXIV.

In truth people do change when given a reason Happy most likely changed due to personal reasons regarding his stream and profitability. WoW streamers coming to try FFXIV most likely will not have the same motivational factors. Though this is all speculation and depends if he even makes it to raiding he still has a long way to go.

Personally I know I would not like to in a situation if Asmon does maintain his WoW persona in FFXIV and what action to take for their ToS violations though it would not shock me if they did turn a blind eye cause even if all the FFXIv streamers go together I doubt they could pull Asmon numbers.

[linayar]

The reality is the ToS does not change but the question is from a marketing PoV would it be wise to ban the top streamer of your game that is the sole reason behind reaching the top on twitch? It will be interesting to see how SE especially their marketing team handles this potential issue. Granted this is based around if they keep the same persona from WoW raiding into FFXIV.

In truth people do change when given a reason Happy most likely changed due to personal reasons regarding his stream and profitability. WoW streamers coming to try FFXIV most likely will not have the same motivational factors. Though this is all speculation and depends if he even makes it to raiding he still has a long way to go.

Personally I know I would not like to in a situation if Asmon does maintain his WoW persona in FFXIV and what action to take for their ToS violations though it would not shock me if they did turn a blind eye cause even if all the FFXIv streamers go together I doubt they could pull Asmon numbers.

Asmongold "maintaining his WoW persona" does not necessarily mean breaking the ToS.

However, for the sake of discussion, let's say it does.

If so, then I do expect for SE to enforce it regardless. If they don't simply because he brings in Twitch viewers, then that would just validate those people who fear him coming in to the game and reject it.