Blue Mage is Destroying the fates fun

[Jojoya]

Can you please point me to SE saying this is what BLU is for? Seems odd that there would be BLU specific achievements for clearing raids too if it's just designed to mess around with?

Some players consider those dead content because they don't offer current end game progression and were likely farmed out by the player when they were current. A player like that could easily consider it as "just messing around".

We can safely say that the one thing BLU was not intended to be doing is FATEs. If SE wanted BLU to do them, they would have left the XP bonus in place for at least the FATE creature kills if not also the XP for completing the FATE.

I imagine it would be a pretty big task for them to go back and alter each NM in a FATE to be immune to BLU abilities while not affecting attacks from other players (especially since they would have to alter all of them each time new BLU abilities were added).

Possible solutions I can think of (and which might still have ways to exploit):

Have FATEs in general have their fields of effect apply a silence or damage down debuff specific to BLU (if there's no need to sync, the BLU may still be able to stand at the very edge of the field to attack without being affected). They could still participate but would be unable to negate effort from other players not using BLU.

Program FATEs so BLU receives no reward of any sort. Being on the enmity table should prevent the BLU from being able to unsync and switch jobs at the last moment to get reward. If someone persists in using BLU for the FATE, it could fall under section 3.2 of the TOS because there would be no reason to use BLU except to disrupt it for others.

[Proxers]

We can safely say that the one thing BLU was not intended to be doing is FATEs. If SE wanted BLU to do them, they would have left the XP bonus in place for at least the FATE creature kills if not also the XP for completing the FATE.

When BLU came out a lot of people were doing FATEs to level the job unless they didn't use the class change exploit. If SE didn't want BLU to do FATEs they would simply have given them the same treatment as DoL or DoH classes.
And if you think BLU is good for dead content, it would fit FATE content anyway as no one does that content anymore.

Have FATEs in general have their fields of effect apply a silence or damage down debuff specific to BLU

So how would you even level the job even? Force them not to follow your little FATE train that bloats the whole zone's FATEs to a point it takes 5 minutes to finish them with 30 people and instead make them kill mobs in a zone?

If this was the case, you people would be crying that BLUs are stealing your overworld mobs you have to kill for crafting mats and then you'd demand SE to make BLU have a massive disadvantage on damage against those.

[Jojoya]

So how would you even level the job even? Force them not to follow your little FATE train that bloats the whole zone's FATEs to a point it takes 5 minutes to finish them with 30 people and instead make them kill mobs in a zone?

If this was the case, you people would be crying that BLUs are stealing your overworld mobs you have to kill for crafting mats and then you'd demand SE to make BLU have a massive disadvantage on damage against those.

To level my BLU I did exactly what SE told us to do - kill random open world mobs. Why the heck would I spend a two hours grinding FATEs to gain a single level when I could (and did) do it in 10 minutes leveling the way we were intended to level them? When I mention there's an XP buff to BLU for killling open world mobs, that's an understatement if anything. It's a HUGE XP buff. I went 60-70 in 2 hours by starting in Yanxia then moving to Lochs. Give it a try if you're still leveling BLU.

Anyone who has been FATE grinding to level BLU has done themselves a major disservice.

I rarely farm mobs for crafting materials myself. I buy what's already listed on the MB or send my retainers after the materials. Let those trying to level BLU or any other jobs kill those mobs if they want and earn a bit of gil while they're at it.

Somehow I think you and others missed the memo on how BLU is designed to work.

[Proxers]

Anyone who has been FATE grinding to level BLU has done themselves a major disservice.

I rarely farm mobs for crafting materials myself. I buy what's already listed on the MB or send my retainers after the materials. Let those trying to level BLU or any other jobs kill those mobs if they want and earn a bit of gil while they're at it.

Somehow I think you and others missed the memo on how BLU is designed to work.

Who are you to dictate how others play? If someone wants to level BLU doing FATEs then let them do FATEs.
Just because you don't farm mob materials yourself it doesn't mean there's someone who does. And that someone might get offended the exact same way about BLU taking their stuff just like you're thinking BLU is some kind of FATE boogeyman.
And yes, I did miss the memo. Can you please provide the source for the memo and I'll concede the point to you that BLU was never meant to do anything else than kill overworld mobs or mess around doing stuff that's not alive. (I'd like to point out FATEs are very much dead so FATEs fall into that category for BLUs just fine.)

[Jojoya]

Who are you to dictate how others play? If someone wants to level BLU doing FATEs then let them do FATEs.
Just because you don't farm mob materials yourself it doesn't mean there's someone who does. And that someone might get offended the exact same way about BLU taking their stuff just like you're thinking BLU is some kind of FATE boogeyman.
And yes, I did miss the memo. Can you please provide the source for the memo and I'll concede the point to you that BLU was never meant to do anything else than kill overworld mobs or mess around doing stuff that's not alive. (I'd like to point out FATEs are very much dead so FATEs fall into that category for BLUs just fine.)

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/bluemage

Blue mages gain greater experience from battling enemies in the open world than other jobs do.
* No bonuses are granted to experience gained from FATE or guildleve enemies.

Note that SE choose to put the second line in red text to emphasize the point.

YoshiP had also made of point of saying in one of the Live Letters just before BLU was added that players will not want to level through FATEs. I'm not about to track down the VOD or reddit translation for you, You're welcome to do it yourself. It would have been sometimes between Nov 16 2018 and BLU release in January 2019.

I'm not dictating to you or anyone else how to play. If you want to take weeks to level BLU via FATEs instead of days via the intended open world mob kills, go for it. Currently the game allows you to do it that way.

It doesn't change that abuse of FATEs by some players could force SE To make changes to what content BLU gets access to. No job except BLU has the ability for near instant completion of FATEs using OP abilities to the detriment of all other participants. That is something that SE definitely does not like and it's why no one will ever be allowed to queue as BLU in Duty Finder unless Undersized Party is selected - so the player using BLU cannot disrupt the game experience of other players just as we can no longer skip cutscenes in Castrum Meridianum or Praetorium.

I have yet to hear of any "but BLU is stealing the mobs with my crafting mats" complaints in the 2+ years since it was added to the game. It's probably because it is not a problem and no one cares (except evidently you).

[MellowMink]

To level my BLU I did exactly what SE told us to do - kill random open world mobs. Why the heck would I spend a two hours grinding FATEs to gain a single level when I could (and did) do it in 10 minutes leveling the way we were intended to level them?

Because of faster multitasking purposes really; for instance, Blue Mages make the second Resistance weapon step far less tedious, said step requiring 60 completed Heavensward fates per job. So if you still need to level up Blue Mage, then you may as well work on steps like that as well; you'll level up more slowly, sure, but you'll still be getting that step done way more quickly, so it's a good form of multitasking.

Blue Mages also made the Yo-kai Watch steps less tedious and more fun as well; anyone else is welcome to play as a Blue Mage during those periods too.