Harassment to Asmongold on his 1st day stream is an Embarassment to FF Community

[Ranaku]

You know what, I can't take the guilt anymore. It's time I come clean, and tell you all the truth...

[Tears off mask]

It was me, all along! I am the FFXIV Community! I killed Asmongold, and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

I knew it!

[PeekayTom]

Provide a link to where Asmongold has ever been racist.

Asmon's chat is a problem, but Asmon himself has very rarely crossed one of the isms.

Not conflating the two, that's on you. And you've avoided the question.

[Rae88]

Not conflating the two, that's on you. And you've avoided the question.

Ah, couldn't find one I see. That's fair enough, considering Asmon has recently spoken out about racism on twitch.

To answer your question your strawman is incorrect that is definitely not what I said. I said you will not be the person to decide who's behaviour is or isn't acceptable to be part of the community. That is, and never will be your place. Your ignorance on the history of the person your crusading against is a dangerous example and I will not have that as part of my community.

If you believe he has been racist report him and the GMs will make a decision. That is their place and their responsibility, not yours.

[PeekayTom]

Ah, couldn't find one I see. That's fair enough, considering Asmon has recently spoken out about racism on twitch.

To answer your question your strawman is incorrect that is definitely not what I said. I said you will not be the person to decide who's behaviour is or isn't acceptable to be part of the community. That is, and never will be your place. Your ignorance on the history of the person your crusading against is a dangerous example and I will not have that as part of my community.

If you believe he has been racist report him and the GMs will make a decision. That is their place and their responsibility, not yours.

You do realize conversations aren't contests, right? I'm not conflating the two. It was a general statement. Such behaviors do not belong regardless of who commits them.

You can repeat yourself but that doesn't do much to clarify, which is the point of presenting how I understood what you're saying. Your latter sentence does a bit, but it kind of seems to imply as well that not only are you preaching the understandable "innocent until proven guilty", but it feels as though you feel "innocent until proven guilty in this area". Like, I'll be hyperbolic here and say that if a recent president were to begin playing, he shouldn't even be given a chance given his prior proven behaviors. Is that not agreeable? I could have sworn that was conveyed in my very first post, but I seem to have angered you somehow saying that people should curate their spaces.

[Rae88]

Like, I'll be hyperbolic here and say that if a recent president were to begin playing, he shouldn't even be given a chance given his prior proven behaviors. Is that not agreeable? I could have sworn that was conveyed in my very first post, but I seem to have angered you somehow saying that people should curate their spaces.

And once more that is not your decision to make.

Period.

[Ranaku]

Damn get yourself an apartment you two! I even pay for it!

[Voidedge_Ragna]

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

[gotaname1]

Really hope the GMs do something about the people stalking him

[PeekayTom]

And once more that is not your decision to make.

Period.

And so it's yours, to decide that, actually, bad people should be allowed in, because if they haven't been bad to you specifically then they're all good. Understood! And here is where I curate my space.

[Jojoya]

Asmon has done one favor for us. He shown everyone EXACTLY what this community is.

No. He showed us what HIS community is like.

Stop and think. There was nothing in game to tell the FFXIV community when he would start playing, what world he would be on or what his character name would be. That information was only available to those who were watching his stream - HIS community. The majority of FFXIV players are ignorant of his existence and most of those who know his name have zero interest in following him around instead of playing the game.

People weren't showing up only after he had been playing for a while. They were there before he was even out of the introductory cutscene. You could see all the friend request messages flashing on his UI. It wasn't just players from Cactuar. Some of those friend requests were coming from offworld players. It would have taken watching HIS stream to know where to go fast enough to get through before first Limsa then Cactuar in general was too congested to allow additional players to enter.

He did an excellent job of demonstrating what HIS community is like. Some of them might already be FFXIV players but they were still doing it because they are part of HIS community.

I'm glad for his sake he made the decision to keep playing off stream so he could learn more about the game via side content and adjust his UI. I also wish for his sake that he makes the smart choice and decides to leave his streaming to WoW and his other normal content while he plays FFXIV off stream. He can still record his game play and post highlights later for his viewers that want to see his reactions to cutscenes, etc.

I think the biggest L was the about 2h late automated GM reply "please give all names areas and stuff"

We know SE is a small indie company that does not currently make a lot of money to hire GM's because we did not have a successful expansion that sold incredibly well or have a huge storm of new players incoming.

SE took the time to post on Twitter they welcome him, but at no point where they prepping it and im not talking about kissing his ass or doing anything weird but at least could they have had someone watch the first half an hour live and react to it.

Yes let the ppl freak out the moment he comes in, but they don't need to cover quest npc's and stalk him for about 8h. Did the players deserve a punishment or warning? F no. But why was it not possible to have a GM do a shout to clear the Area like 1-2h in when it was clear they would continue.

SE is benefiting from this, so they could've at least had a look. Here's hoping the players clam down.

I guess you've never been part of staffing a company before.

You don't create additional staff out of thin air. You need time to advertise, review applications/resumes, make hiring decisions then train the new employee on policy/procedure before they can start their job duties. There wasn't enough time for SE to accomplish all that between when Asmongold announced when he would start playing and his actual start.

You need to make certain you have desk space for the new employees at the office (even if the position allows for work from home, they're generally going to have to go through training and a supervised stint in the office first).

Then there's the little matter of this being a weekend. You don't run a full staff on a Saturday or Sunday.

Then there's a bigger matter of this being a holiday weekend. You run an even smaller staff because you want your employees to be able to enjoy part of the holiday with their family and friends.

You definitely don't force your employees to give up their holiday weekends because of a single individual decided to become a customer. You don't give that single individual special attention when your other customers also have needs.

There was no way Asmongold was going to get more than a standard cut and paste response to his ticket on a holiday weekend. It could very well be that there will be several players finding their characters in the gaol when they log in on or after Tuesday because the GMs will have finally had time to investigate but it wasn't going to change what happened yesterday.

It could have been very different if Asmongold had acted as smart as so many claim he is and either played off stream (the smartest thing to do) or picked a day in the middle of the week when there would be a full GM staff on hand to handle the problems he knew were going to happen because they happen every time he does something out of the ordinary and his viewers can show up.