Open World PvP

[Anhra]

Griefing definition: Griefing is the act of chronically causing consternation to other members of an online community, or more specifically, intentionally disrupting the immersion of another player in their gameplay.

How is ganking someone so much that they end up quitting the game, which is what you prefer doing with your "perfect ganks", something other than griefing? And how is allowing such type of gameplay in any way beneficial for a game? A minority would get to create "bitter rivalies and stedfast alliances" at the expense of countless people who would have their gameplay ruined because of open-world PvP. And obviously, if you make open-world PvP not mandatory and on different servers those servers would be completely deserted. Because nobody signs up to get ganked.

If you sign up for a PvP Server of a MMORPG that has PK always active, you better prepare for the worst. As it has been stated before, it is fun to bully the weak, especially if they dont learn from their mistake and keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

Usually, a MMORPG that has this kind of thing going on offers both a PvE as well as a PvP server, a PvE Server doesnt becessarily mean that youre cut off from all PvP related content, but instead, it just wont gave the PK feature always active. And turning said mode off in such a Server, makes you completely immune to any griefing unless you hit them back.

[SturmChurro]

If you sign up for a PvP Server of a MMORPG that has PK always active, you better prepare for the worst. As it has been stated before, it is fun to bully the weak, especially if they dont learn from their mistake and keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

Usually, a MMORPG that has this kind of thing going on offers both a PvE as well as a PvP server, a PvE Server doesnt becessarily mean that youre cut off from all PvP related content, but instead, it just wont gave the PK feature always active. And turning said mode off in such a Server, makes you completely immune to any griefing unless you hit them back.

I still don't get this. Joining a PvP server is a personal choice, why complain if there is PvP? Seriously.. It's not even griefing anyway, in my view, in the first place.

[Nabril]

PvP is awful here. Classes are so broken against each other that they get an entirely new set of abilities when they enter PvP areas. This means you cannot have Open World PvP. Can you imagine trying to cast Fire IV as a BLM to fight off a NIN? One stun and your cast is gone which starts another cast timer as you try again. Sure there's Triple Cast, but I doubt you'd finish off the NIN before your three spells were up.

But then, if you did manage to ambush a NIN, it'd be a different matter altogether and the NIN player would cry at the unfairness.

Open World PvP would require a complete rework of every single class in this game- all abilities would have to be scrapped and redone from the ground up.

[Nabril]

I still don't get this. Joining a PvP server is a personal choice, why complain if there is PvP? Seriously.. It's not even griefing anyway, in my view, in the first place.

People generally only complain on WoW because you can have your body camped for hours which wouldn't happen here. You take your body back to your home Aetherite. I'd imagine that if open world PvP were to ever be a thing here, a lot of WoW refugees would complain about the lack of camping.

[Allegor]

I still don't get this. Joining a PvP server is a personal choice, why complain if there is PvP? Seriously.. It's not even griefing anyway, in my view, in the first place.

Technically, but it's not that easy. I for example played WoW classic in a PvP server because my friends, who of course played rogues and mages, begged me to...and I hated every single second of it to the point I just outright quit (not that I was enjoying it anyways, but I digress). Could I have opted to not play in a server I knew I'd get ganked nonstop by people 40 levels higher than me? yes, would I have ended up playing alone if I chose a PvE server while my friends where in the PvP one? also yes - so it was my choice, but at the same time it wasn't.

[Artemiz]

If you sign up for a PvP Server of a MMORPG that has PK always active, you better prepare for the worst. As it has been stated before, it is fun to bully the weak, especially if they dont learn from their mistake and keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

Usually, a MMORPG that has this kind of thing going on offers both a PvE as well as a PvP server, a PvE Server doesnt becessarily mean that youre cut off from all PvP related content, but instead, it just wont gave the PK feature always active. And turning said mode off in such a Server, makes you completely immune to any griefing unless you hit them back.

Well at least people are being honest now, instead of trying, and failing to sugar coat this as being about challenge and how it would be good for the community as a whole. I mean, nobody believed it 40 pages ago but at least you're being honest now.
For what it's worth, I think bullying the weak is pathetic. Pick on someone your own size tough guy.

[BaconBits]

Well at least people are being honest now, instead of trying, and failing to sugar coat this as being about challenge and how it would be good for the community as a whole. I mean, nobody believed it 40 pages ago but at least you're being honest now.
For what it's worth, I think bullying the weak is pathetic. Pick on someone your own size tough guy.

I don't think telling Anhra to go bully other femra is the right play here.

[Anhra]

Open World PvP would require a complete rework of every single class in this game- all abilities would have to be scrapped and redone from the ground up.

Personally, id say this would be a good thing to rework every Job from the ground up for this, since Jobs (especially tanks and healers) are quite homogenised and very basic in what they do. The amount of People on this forum asking for any kind of change for their favorite job on a larger scale is far from few, afterall.

[linayar]

I still don't get this. Joining a PvP server is a personal choice, why complain if there is PvP? Seriously.. It's not even griefing anyway, in my view, in the first place.

A new server means new housing.

And it may not always be a personal choice if you want to play on your friends' server, but you don't want to PvP.

So that's a no for PvP servers in FFXIV. If there must be open world PvP, it must be a fully opt-in mode on regular servers with no way to force anyone into it.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

If you sign up for a PvP Server of a MMORPG that has PK always active, you better prepare for the worst. As it has been stated before, it is fun to bully the weak, especially if they dont learn from their mistake and keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

Usually, a MMORPG that has this kind of thing going on offers both a PvE as well as a PvP server, a PvE Server doesnt becessarily mean that youre cut off from all PvP related content, but instead, it just wont gave the PK feature always active. And turning said mode off in such a Server, makes you completely immune to any griefing unless you hit them back.

Ah yes.. the mistake of joining the game later than you did and as such their gear is worse. MMO owPvP is never balanced, for me what was fun in PvP MMO's was not to bully the weak.. but to crap on the players that loved to camp newbies because they couldn't actually compete with someone who had similar gear than them, hence they would chill around starter areas or trade routes for afkers. I still have a screenshot on my laptop somewhere with the whole text box just "Aelin Ashryver killed .... " fun times.

I like competition, ganking newbies just trying to catch up to you is not competition, it's what small people do to make themselves feel big. If it's their idea of fun... well I can't stop them. But I can kill them instead!