Would you support a Final Fantasy XIV "Classic" option like WoW with 1.0?

[Jandor]

The 1.0 plot in New Game + would be kinda cool seeing it as I never got to do it myself, would probably require a lot of instanced maps though because of the changes 2.0 made to the world.

I would also like to check out the original game and gameplay, purely as a curiosity, but I'm not naive enough to think that's enough to justify the effort from SE.

[Fyrebrand]

"WoW Classic" was a very different situation. Many players (not me, but many) really wanted to see the game return to how it was when it originally came out. They felt the design philosophy had strayed too far in a bad direction, and that there was a lot of value to be salvaged from the past. People even had their own private servers where they played the vanilla game. Blizzard finally caved and released Classic because there was so much demand from the community.

Not so, for FFXIV. The game didn't happen to veer off from its roots accidentally, it literally had to be demolished and remade because the original was so bad. And for the most part, I don't really think there are many people who truly want to see it return to those days. After all, if 1.0 were actually any good, we'd still be playing that and ARR would have never come out.

I would like unpruned classes back

I don't know what classes were like in 1.0, but I do remember when ARR first came out you had abilities that you could learn on one class and use on another class. For example, I think Lancer could use Protect if you leveled Conjurer enough, and I seem to recall grabbing Thunder from Thaumaturge so my Arcanist had an extra DoT spell. I really liked the potential of that system, but it never really went anywhere as you lost almost all cross-class ability once you graduated to your Job at level 30. I think that's why we have this awkward system of "Job Stones," and why Arcanist splits into two separate Jobs.

And then there was the huge downside, which was you actually had to level another class to 15 to even unlock your Job. If you wanted to unlock Summoner for your Arcanist, you actually had to arbitrarily level Thaumaturge. Or if you wanted White Mage, you had to level Arcanist. And there weren't universal Role actions in those days either -- essentials like Raise or Swiftcast were locked behind other classes. Swiftcast in particular was such a miserable grind for me, I can't stand playing THM...

[Nepentha]

1.0 was a nightmare. I wouldn't mind an ARR classic, eventually. I don't think the game has really progressed far enough to warrant that. Maybe after Endwalker, since that's the end of the current storyline.

[Daemius]

I'd like to see the story in some kind of heavily modified NG+ version of the game. Basically 1.0 or 1.2+ story or whatever with an ARR and beyond skin. I don't care to experience any of the old gameplay systems.

[ItMe]

I would rather have the cutscenes (as dry as they are) just added to the Unending Journey if they're going to do anything.
I really don't want to play through those days.

[Chelsei]

NIGHTMARE.

Nooooononononono.

Nop.

[ReynTime]

No. There's nothing "good" about 1.0 to bring it back, that would draw people like wow classic. The server would be dead in a month.


The devs gave people a chance to keep them running back in 2012. It lasted a month because people stopped playing.

Gross exaggeration parroted by people who just echo what Yoshi-P says without thinking about it.
1.X for all its faults pushed the MMO in MMORPG harder, had more depth to the job system (although at the cost of balance), and the overworld had a lot more going for it compared to being a solitaire hub for quests and zerg rushes that might as well be a gigantic lobby room.

Also, the silly excuse was brought up years ago and answered, but people parroting it keep ignoring the responses. Why would anyone bother when everything pointed out to that version being axed and the newer one being heavily marketed instead? There was no motivation and therefore not enough activity.

"WoW Classic" was a very different situation. Many players (not me, but many) really wanted to see the game return to how it was when it originally came out. They felt the design philosophy had strayed too far in a bad direction, and that there was a lot of value to be salvaged from the past. People even had their own private servers where they played the vanilla game. Blizzard finally caved and released Classic because there was so much demand from the community.

Not so, for FFXIV. The game didn't happen to veer off from its roots accidentally, it literally had to be demolished and remade because the original was so bad. And for the most part, I don't really think there are many people who truly want to see it return to those days. After all, if 1.0 were actually any good, we'd still be playing that and ARR would have never come out.



I don't know what classes were like in 1.0, but I do remember when ARR first came out you had abilities that you could learn on one class and use on another class. For example, I think Lancer could use Protect if you leveled Conjurer enough, and I seem to recall grabbing Thunder from Thaumaturge so my Arcanist had an extra DoT spell. I really liked the potential of that system, but it never really went anywhere as you lost almost all cross-class ability once you graduated to your Job at level 30. I think that's why we have this awkward system of "Job Stones," and why Arcanist splits into two separate Jobs.

And then there was the huge downside, which was you actually had to level another class to 15 to even unlock your Job. If you wanted to unlock Summoner for your Arcanist, you actually had to arbitrarily level Thaumaturge. Or if you wanted White Mage, you had to level Arcanist. And there weren't universal Role actions in those days either -- essentials like Raise or Swiftcast were locked behind other classes. Swiftcast in particular was such a miserable grind for me, I can't stand playing THM...

Downside of playing more of a game you like.

You know, when leveling more than one job doesn't feel "fun" it speaks volumes about the game itself, rather than the requirement existing. This is why no matter who's next in line to quote me and insult me for defending cross-class actions and party composition mattering, I was never in favor of what they did in Stormblood onwards.

[Conundrum]

I find it insulting to the people that played from 1.0 up to 2.0 that stayed with the MMO unlike myself who dealt with a truly terribly designed MMO.

They played a video game, they didn't storm the beach at Normandy.

[Ultaniku]

While I can understand wanting to experience that story, the game itself was......oof. I don’t think a classic 1.0 would work very well.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Gross exaggeration parroted by people who just echo what Yoshi-P says without thinking about it.
1.X for all its faults pushed the MMO in MMORPG harder, had more depth to the job system (although at the cost of balance), and the overworld had a lot more going for it compared to being a solitaire hub for quests and zerg rushes that might as well be a gigantic lobby room.

Also, the silly excuse was brought up years ago and answered, but people parroting it keep ignoring the responses. Why would anyone bother when everything pointed out to that version being axed and the newer one being heavily marketed instead? There was no motivation and therefore not enough activity.



Downside of playing more of a game you like.

You know, when leveling more than one job doesn't feel "fun" it speaks volumes about the game itself, rather than the requirement existing. This is why no matter who's next in line to quote me and insult me for defending cross-class actions and party composition mattering, I was never in favor of what they did in Stormblood onwards.

I was there during 1.0. For most of it. Took a break in the middle.

From beta to about 1.13 or 1.14 ish? Then from July 2012 to server close.

I'm not parroting anything. This is my personal view of it.

My achievements are public, you can see what I did in 1.0.