Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[artypartytime]

So much of this reads...wrong. The females aren’t the leaders. Idk where you’re getting that idea from but it’s not true. Both genders have different roles in their society and they’re equal in that concept. Going by your logic though, the males should be taller because they’re the defenders of the forest and the ones who keep the females alive. As for the “pants in the relationship” comment...sounds to me you just want some weird femdom relationship with them. That isn’t what this race is for.I’m tired of seeing that gross fetish

You folks need to stop calling everything a fetish. Lol being fem isn’t a fetish. Having a woman be the leader of a society isn’t a fetish. Having a woman be the head of a household isn’t a fetish. A shorter man dating a taller woman isn’t a fetish. Men not being strong isn’t a fetish.


You keep calling everything a fetish that isn’t to your liking.

The only cringe thing is people like you constantly trying to make these things sexual.

[Iscah]

You folks need to stop calling everything a fetish.

I agree with you on not calling everything a fetish, but they are correct that the women are not dominant over men in Viera society. They are just very separate with different roles that keep them apart most of the time.

Moon Keeper Miqo'te have a similar societal structure, at least traditionally, and that has nothing to do with dominant women – the men are simply not there to be dominated – and it doesn't require the women to be taller either.

[HollowedDoll]

I agree with you on not calling everything a fetish, but they are correct that the women are not dominant over men in Viera society. They are just very separate with different roles that keep them apart most of the time.

Moon Keeper Miqo'te have a similar societal structure, at least traditionally, and that has nothing to do with dominant women – the men are simply not there to be dominated – and it doesn't require the women to be taller either.

Male Viera aren't even really part of the society

[Halivel]

Male Viera aren't even really part of the society

That's not exactly true. They are a part of society, they just don't follow traditions we, as humanity, are used to. Same goes for Miqo'te or even Au Ra to a certain extend, given some of their tribes's customs.

In FF12 Viera didn't even need to be physically close to each other because the Forest would tell them where their kin is. We know that from scene where Fran asks where her sister went.

We don't know if Forest talks to them in FF14 (there is a hint to that in the Fanow, but it's not clear about The Source), but we do know from Dramaturge that one Viera told to him the next: “When I was younger and far more the fool than I am now, I asked a Viera if she did not find her tribe’s ways awkward. Was it not within the natural order for males and females of a species to coexist? The woman answered me thus: ‘The value of coexistence will not be found ‘neath a loincloth. Long has our kind endured understanding that the distance 'twixt two bodies does not dictate the distance 'twixt two souls.’” This dialogue is available at Prima Vista up to this day.

They may not share same roof, but it doesn't mean they aren't close, as it doesn't mean that they aren't the parts of one same society, because they very much are in their own ways.

[SturmChurro]

‘The value of coexistence will not be found ‘neath a loincloth. Long has our kind endured understanding that the distance 'twixt two bodies does not dictate the distance 'twixt two souls.’” This dialogue is available at Prima Vista up to this day.

They may not share same roof, but it doesn't mean they aren't close, as it doesn't mean that they aren't the parts of one same society, because they very much are in their own ways.

Please.. I teared up for a bit there.. such a beautiful quote. Thank you for that, anyway! It's very sad to see viera of all kinds abandon their pact with nature just to go on an adventure trip, I would have loved to see them done in the game - in their full glory - prior to their inclusion (if they really had to be). Ah, what could have been.

i don‘t think it‘s an unpopular opinion! lore wise female hrothgar would have made more sense, since they could‘ve been connected to bozja.
the hard truth is tho female hrothgar was not going to happen. the graphics team started working on male viera in their free time (secretly), as it was mentioned in an interview. i don‘t want to sound harsh but the reality is, the only reason female hrothgar is going to happen is due to high demand for male viera. yoshi p said his stance about the genders didn‘t change (he didn‘t want them included), until the graphics team presented him their work i guess. and if you are going to complete one race, you can‘t just ignore the other.
even tho i probably won‘t play femhroth, i still would have continued asking for their inclusion. genderlockdd races just leave a bitter taste in my mouth.
so i think it‘s plausible viera came first, as the more demanded race in general.

Thank you! Being a long time female hrothgar supporter, I was saddened to see viera chosen yet again over them. A race that adds very little to the game in comparison, in my opinion. SE will probably soon be between a rock and a hard place with their addition as well. I doubt the addition of male viera will be enough for many players. I just don't think they really appeal to any specific niche. They will probably be too tall, for players who are used to their catboys, and too feminine - and short - for players who wanted a conventionally handsome male addition. Speaking of that, while being quite feminine, in my opinion, they aren't androgynous. You can tell they are males - so that niche isn't filled either! ON TOP of being a limited race, so players will probably not be able to use hats, nor any of their collected hairstyles! I just don't see the novelty of 'male viera' lasting more than a few weeks for many players, and they will simply switch right back to whatever they were prior!

At least with the inclusion of female hrothgar, we could have gotten a strong female race, that would have made the story more coherent, in my opinion, and been quite exciting to see them in action in Bozja! I would have not only loved to see an actual hrothgar queen, but I would have also loved to see female hrothgar participating in the actual liberation of their homeland! Like, why would they be on the sidelines, during such a crucial moment?!

[Fukuro]

Please.. I teared up for a bit there.. such a beautiful quote. It's very sad to see viera of all kinds abandon their pact with nature just to go on an adventure trip, I would have loved to see them done in the game - in their full glory - prior to their inclusion. Ah, what could have been.

yeah i always read it with frans voice in my head, with that typical islandic accent! reminds me of frans departure in ff xii, brought me to tears seeing her leaving her sisters and tribe.
https://youtu.be/rB9wIXEQeNo

[SturmChurro]

yeah i always read it with frans voice in my head, with that typical islandic accent! reminds me of frans departure in ff xii, brought me to tears seeing her leaving her sisters and tribe.
https://youtu.be/rB9wIXEQeNo

God.. the feels! I'm actually sobbing right now. I wish SE could have done something like that in this game. A proper send off for the addition of male viera! They were done too early! Me saying I wanted hrothgar first, doesn't mean I don't think the addition of viera could have been so much better, rather than being seemingly shoehorned, in my opinion. Sigh..

[HollowedDoll]

That's not exactly true. They are a part of society, they just don't follow traditions we, as humanity, are used to. Same goes for Miqo'te or even Au Ra to a certain extend, given some of their tribes's customs.

In FF12 Viera didn't even need to be physically close to each other because the Forest would tell them where their kin is. We know that from scene where Fran asks where her sister went.

We don't know if Forest talks to them in FF14 (there is a hint to that in the Fanow, but it's not clear about The Source), but we do know from Dramaturge that one Viera told to him the next: “When I was younger and far more the fool than I am now, I asked a Viera if she did not find her tribe’s ways awkward. Was it not within the natural order for males and females of a species to coexist? The woman answered me thus: ‘The value of coexistence will not be found ‘neath a loincloth. Long has our kind endured understanding that the distance 'twixt two bodies does not dictate the distance 'twixt two souls.’” This dialogue is available at Prima Vista up to this day.

They may not share same roof, but it doesn't mean they aren't close, as it doesn't mean that they aren't the parts of one same society, because they very much are in their own ways.

I suppose it depends on which definition you use, but they definitely don't live together even with each other.

[Caitlyn]

Unpopular opinion: Instead of adding male Viera, they should focus on the existing races.

For example adding more options (Au Ra: dyeable scales, horns and faces separeted, Miqo: stribes on their bodies, Hyur: elezen ears, etc) or fixing stuff for female Viera (wearing hats, using additional hairstyles, etc).

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

[SturmChurro]

Unpopular opinion: Instead of adding male Viera, they should focus on the existing races.

For example adding more options (Au Ra: dyeable scales, horns and faces separeted, Miqo: stribes on their bodies, Hyur: elezen ears, etc) or fixing stuff for female Viera (wearing hats, using additional hairstyles, etc).

Thats one of the biggest problem in FFXIV: Instead of improving/fixing old systems, they keep adding stuff almost nobody asked for.

Too true. The races prior definitely could have used a touching up before male viera, considering the limitations. They've been needing one for quite awhile too.